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Federal judge finds state law governing who is an engineer violates free speech

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Re: Federal judge finds state law governing who is an engineer violates free speech

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Does free speech mean anyone can call themselves a doctor, too?

From the article:

    Beckerman, in the 25-page written ruling, declared that
    Järlström may study and, communicate publicly or privately
    about his theories relating to traffic lights, as long as
    his remarks occur outside the context of any employment or
    contractual relationship with a governmental or other
    group that regulates traffic light-timing.
I'm guessing this means that it's not calling yourself a doctor, but practicing medicine without a license that'll get you in a whole heap of trouble.

Re: Federal judge finds state law governing who is an engineer violates free speech

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Does free speech mean anyone can call themselves a doctor, too?

He has a degree from Sweden as a B.Sc. - also you can call yourself Doctor Klipt as long as you don't do it in a professional context. E.g. if this is your super villian persona or something.

Re: Federal judge finds state law governing who is an engineer violates free speech

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Why not, Doctor Dre has been doing it for years.

Dr Pepper

Not a person. Literally incapable of practicing medicine. Or anything beyond the quenching of thirst.

Now if there were a graduate degree for that, I'd audit a class or two.

Re: Federal judge finds state law governing who is an engineer violates free speech

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Does free speech mean anyone can call themselves a doctor, too?

>Unlike an “M.D.” or “certified public accountant,” there is no fixed meaning to the title “engineer,” but many different types of engineers, the judge found.

Re: Federal judge finds state law governing who is an engineer violates free speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the article: "Unlike an 'M.D.' or 'certified public accountant,' there is no fixed meaning to the title 'engineer,' but many different types of engineers, the judge found."

Professional Engineer has a fixed meaning though, and it's possible legislation would be updated to specifically reference PE language in statute. https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe > To become licensed, engineers must complete a four-year college degree, work under a Professional Engineer for at least four years, pass two intensive competency exams and earn a license from their state's licensure board.…

No, that’s one specific organizations trademark and private program. They happen to be a governing body for a narrow practice of engineering. For instance, audio engineer is a prominent title, but no governing certification body.

You can’t call yourself a Realtor without belonging to a specific organization, but you can call yourself a real estate agent.

Professional Engineer is a specific discipline handed a government monopoly on certification for structural engineers. Nothing more

Re: Federal judge finds state law governing who is an engineer violates free speech

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This is interesting to me because in Ontario where I reside, I cannot call myself an engineer. The professional engineering association is ruthless in enforcing it. But my employer is in Massachusetts, where I can be called an engineer. So I'm not sure if my business cards can get me in trouble here.

The professional engineering association is ruthless in enforcing it.

What do they call people who drive trains in Ontario?

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