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Living paycheck to paycheck is disturbingly common

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Re: Living paycheck to paycheck is disturbingly common

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If I took a job at a unprofitable startup that was VC backed, I would understand the risks and ask for the appropriate compensation and have a larger cushion than normal. On the other hand, the only reason for working at a government job is short term stability - you “know” the federal government has access to capital to pay you and the long term stability of pensions, lifetime healthcare etc.

But now, on the federal level, you have a president who is shutting down the government over a $5 billion dollar “wall” that everyone in the know is saying won’t be effective - including John Kelley. On the state level, pensions are in danger because of politics, the voters, and the unions.

On the bright(?) side, at least it seems like banks and credit unions are willing to work with people who are affected by the shutdown. I’m sure they wouldn’t be willing to work with someone who couldn’t make a payment because a startup couldn’t achieve “product market fit”.

Re: Living paycheck to paycheck is disturbingly common

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"They work in big cities and rural towns. They’ve tried to save — but rent, child care, student loans and medical bills get in the way." Yikes. I'm not exactly living paycheck to paycheck, but I can relate to this. It's really funny - my wife and I make quite a bit of money - whatever twisted form of capitalism we currently live in has been designed in such a way to extract most of it away from us. One begins to wond…

It's human psychology. Below a certain level, your mind will simply talk itself into spending your available money to make you happy.

You don't need that car. A car half the price would have been plenty good enough. But you did it anyhow.

You don't need fancy breakfast cereal that costs twice what the generic stuff at Aldi costs.

You don't need all those electronics and toys. You don't need to eat out that much.

If you made less money, you'd do less of the above right until you simply couldn't afford any of it.

And you'd continue to be about as happy as with all that money, assuming you were still paying for the necessities.

I'm not trying to convince you to give up those fancy drinks. I'm just explaining that you could choose to live more frugally without almost no repercussions, but you won't.

Re: Living paycheck to paycheck is disturbingly common

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post #2

"They work in big cities and rural towns. They’ve tried to save — but rent, child care, student loans and medical bills get in the way." Yikes. I'm not exactly living paycheck to paycheck, but I can relate to this. It's really funny - my wife and I make quite a bit of money - whatever twisted form of capitalism we currently live in has been designed in such a way to extract most of it away from us. One begins to wond…

This rhetoric has been known for longer than either of us has been alive, yet the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Re: Living paycheck to paycheck is disturbingly common

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I'd like to read more about the history of the people in the article.

The biggest issue as far as I can tell is that it's easy to 'lose' at any stage. You can make a ton of decisions starting from about age 15-20 that influence your degrees of freedom at age 40 (in the article there's a family of 3 that seemingly have little savings, for example).

If you were born to a non wealthy household, the reality is that you simply don't get to go through life not focusing on money. Your income, investments, and career have to be at the forefront of your mind, always. And even then there's a ton of chance involved.

Re: Living paycheck to paycheck is disturbingly common

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Don’t discount the weight of emotional trauma and the self-sabotaging habits it has the potential to engender. Most people are slaves to their limbic systems. Most people don’t have self-education or resources to seek the help they need to fix these underlying problems. Society does them no favors. Media and advertising are designed to promote consumption. And not even healthy consumption. The idea that we are black…

How do you manage this conflict?

I think a lot of us suffer from this at different scales. I've always found it difficult to work on things that will pay off in the future, even if I plan something I just don't seem to be able to carry through a long term project to the end unless I'm in an environment where there's accountability such as deadlines on projects at work.

I'm very prone to instant gratification, which is why I can easily lose most of my spare time in video games, netflix, youtube etc.

Re: Living paycheck to paycheck is disturbingly common

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I think housing costs are a big part of this. Things are almost perfectly stacked in favour of current property owners: oppose any new housing development near you which keeps land prices and rents high, while those wanting to buy or rent can’t or don’t vote and can’t as easily encourage more building as current owners can discourage it.

And it’s so simple (not easy, but simple) too: build more to reduce housing costs which is effectively a raise for most people. We’d need to stop treating housing as a primary investment vehicle though.

Re: Living paycheck to paycheck is disturbingly common

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From the executive summary of the Federal Reserve report linked in the article:

>When asked about their finances, 74 percent of adults said they were either doing okay or living comfortably in 2017—over 10 percentage points more than in the first survey in 2013.

>Individuals of all education levels have shared in the improvement over the past five years, though the more educated still report greater well-being than those less educated.

>Three in five urban residents describe the economy in their local community as good or excellent ver- sus two in five rural residents who offer this posi- tive of an assessment of local conditions.

Etc. Far less bleak when one focuses on the whole picture. But don't let that stop wapo et al. from implicating Trump while trotting out predictable sob stories about people who spent half their lives pursuing 3 uneconomical degrees, had 3 more kids than they could afford, in cities with some of the highest costs of living in the world, and now complain that they're living paycheck to paycheck.

I'm getting really tired of the agenda based fear mongering by wapo, huffpo, and the like. Trust in media is rightly at an all time low[1].

1.https://medium.com/trust-media-and-democracy/10-reasons-why-...

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