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Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

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Join a group, any group. Close friendships come with time, make the time for that friend and do things together even if it's dumb. You're not there to impress them or vice versa but just the best of them and the best of you sometimes meet up and show the other person that there is something admirable, in morals and values or skills like your programming. You have something to share and time is the most valuable. So m…

Thank you for your advice. I really appreciate it. I remember showing a friend in my AP CS class the benefits of sum types for representing errors. (We use Java and I wanted to show a better alternative to its nulls and exceptions). He understood what I showed him and thought it was neat. I think that ties in with what you said about showing “the other person that there is something admirable, in morals and values or skills.” Most people probably don’t care about type theory because they’ve never heard of it, but I hope that if I show it to, say, someone else who is learning programming, they will see the same beauty in it that I do. I think that I will spend more time with this person to become closer friends with him.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

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> Am I missing out on anything?

Only if you truly feel that you are missing out on something in particular-- something you can describe in unambiguous terms.

The answer to "am I missing out on something?" is always, 100% of the time, "yes", because of course no single person can experience every possible 'thing', and there are probably tons of experiences you haven't had that you're glad to have "missed out" on because they're undesirable.

if you know of some that you're really hoping to have before you move on, those are probably the only ones to even concern yourself with; but, even then, just know that it's really, really likely that they are things that are available/doable far beyond your HS years, and at the end of the day, may not have much to do with the fact that you're an HS student; you may find that they are things you'd just generally like to experience.

On a more personal note, having been out of HS for almost 13 years now, the culmination of my high school experience is basically a lot of relief that I screwed up, made strange decisions, joined in sometimes, missed out sometimes, got in a bit of trouble, helped some people, was hurtful to some others, and was generally just totally winging it, while still an HS student.

In college I eventually learned how to learn, and how to think. High school (for me) was the social version of that. I could have done much more, been more extroverted, etc, but those feelings dissipated way more quickly that I thought. A good example of this is the whole dating scene. I met my husband when we were 16 and 17 years old, and I "missed out" on casual dating for most of HS and all of college+. There were times I thought of this as a regret, but it just took me a while to, for lack of a better description, know what I'm about and what I want out of life; those regrets have been re-contextualized as "I am so glad I never had to do that."

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

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> Is it normal that I don't have close friends and that I'm solitary? This is quite a common narrative. But it is also very easy for it to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you don't believe that it is easy to make friends, it will be harder to make friends. People are social creatures. Smile, laugh, enjoy yourself, and celebrate the people around you; and you will have friends. > Am I missing out on anything? Pr…

Thank you for your advice. In the past, I didn’t care about joining other clubs and only cared about my programming hobby. Now, I think that I should be more well-rounded and pick up other activities, especially ones in which I am more likely to find companions. I will find an interesting club to join.

w.r.t being better than others - I go to a school with a strong academic culture. In absolutely no way do people put each other down, not at all, but I feel like there is an underlying motivation to have good ECs to make oneself attractive to colleges. In particular, you mentioned the debate team, which, at least at my school, seems to me like a highly competitive club that boosts college applications. I feel extremely cynical about the culture of people padding college applications, so I had decided previously to ignore clubs and only pursue my passion of programming to be “true to myself.” However, now I feel a desire to join a club out of genuine pursuit of happiness (as opposed to boosting an application). I hope that I will find a club with a passionate and genuine culture, without competitive people.

Before, my mother had told me that I should have activities outside school that I could show for. Part of it was for colleges, as I would have a hard time competing with others if I didn’t do much outside school. However, my mother also said that part of it was being a fuller person. I used to feel frustrated because I felt like she wanted me to do stuff just for college, a motivation that I felt was “phony,” but now I see what she meant about being more active in general.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

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> Is it normal that I don't have close friends and that I'm solitary? Am I missing out on anything? Given your interest in type theory, it's definitely normal for you to be solitary. Most mathematicians are. A lot of writers, too, I imagine. But you are missing out on something, as a lot of us "programmer-types" are, which is a healthy social life. We can connect with others online, but I think we'd be fooling oursel…

There are some people in my school who program, but they aren’t interested in type theory. Nevertheless, I think that I would be closer with them if I could just see them more often in terms of class schedules. I will find time to be with them more often.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

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I remember watching an anime called Erased! that elicited similar feelings for me, but it was centered around elementary/secondary school. I'm not sure I can answer your question, I wasn't that close with my highschool class. But two things I can say are: be your genuine self, and take a genuine interest in others.

To say anything more specific would really just be me trying to give advice to my past self, instead of trying to give you advice. Someone you know well may have more personal insights.

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

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Random musings:

There are less rules than you might think, but you are right that developing close friendships takes time.

On the other hand college can be a nice ground zero, where you don't need to break into some weird existing cliques where everybody already has shared language based on years of in-jokes.

But my friendsip building wad reasonably low-effort, but over long time with consistency :-)

I went to bible-study and enjoyed the more personal setting than the "50 people sing hymn together in a church youth-meeting". I am order of magnitude less religious than I was back then, but I still remember the time fondly and keep in touch with some of the people I met there :)

I liked to go swimming with few friends that found the idea "swim from one end of 50m pool to the other for an hour" relaxing. Every 300m we stop at the end of the pool and chat. Then we swim again.

I had group of ~4 friends I played board-games together. Or we organized lan-parties from time-to time. 3 of us then went for a same programme at the same college and that helped me quite a bit when acomodating in college.

I joined for a few longer (several days) hikes with few people from my class. I don't keep in touch as much with them, but knowing there are few people I literally walked like hundred miles along-side is nice :-)

I learned a lot just by walking home with a friend of mine and talking Java design patterns and algorithms for path-finding through mazes. We did few projects together, and to this day (10y after we left hs) we still make point of getting a few beers together or going for Puzzlehunt every few months.

Close-ness is a difficult concept. I.e. with the friend I talked about I wouldn't call him at 3 AM if I am depressed. I think only one I would wake up like this might be my wife :) Over a beer we probably would discuss if I am burned-out at work or simmilar.

I might have few friends I would talk about my kids and raising them and the usual life-stuff. Former colleagues that I grew to know over hundred shared lunches and cofe breaks and later on beers in pubs, occasional hike or going bouldering.

I might have maybe one friend I might talk about more intimate stuff, like if I had problems in marriage. We have known each other for around 20 years and we literally met in middle-school.

I do wish you luck!

Re: Ask HN: How can I make the most out of high school?

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> Is it normal that I don't have close friends and that I'm solitary? Am I missing out on anything? Given your interest in type theory, it's definitely normal for you to be solitary. Most mathematicians are. A lot of writers, too, I imagine. But you are missing out on something, as a lot of us "programmer-types" are, which is a healthy social life. We can connect with others online, but I think we'd be fooling oursel…

There are some people in my school who program, but they aren’t interested in type theory. Nevertheless, I think that I would be closer with them if I could just see them more often in terms of class schedules. I will find time to be with them more often.

How's it coming? Have you spent any time with any fellow (aspiring) hackers yet? :)
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