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Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by porlune »

cyberferret wrote: post #23

Just wondering if these devices are only issued to people who had houses in that area before the airport was built. IMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Modern aviation is already far quieter, and there are plenty of regulations in place to minimise the noise footprint (e.g. modern fanjet engines are far quieter than the older turbojets,…

I don't think you lose your right to complain, even if you knowingly purchased a home that has a negative externality that you'd like to see removed.

If we lived by that logic, places would steadily become worse since complaints would only be valid if you lived there before a change took place.

Edit: removed my analogy because that's not really the point of my comment.

Edit: would sure like to hear from others about why they disagree and why they are down-voting this.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by ddingus »

My first house had airplane noise.

Was minor league, mostly Southwest airline approaches. (I never inquired why)

Then, for a while, I got ultra intense! Was only for a couple months. And only intense on occasion. Maybe people complained.

I had never really experienced that kind of noise. It was bone rattling. Basic, like "oh fuck, this is LOUD"

Kind of liked it. I would not have had it continued.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by 333c »

btgeekboy wrote: post #72
runarberg wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes you wonder if they could possible move the route a little to the side. I live on an island close to Seattle, and airplains flying from California will fly straight over the island, almost like it is on purpose. You wonder why they couldn't move the route a little to the west or a little to the east and fly over the sea instead. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA1041

FlightAware on mobile isn’t letting me zoom in to see which island you’re on. There’s a few pilots on HN; we can help you look it up. It’s probably not on purpose as in “haha let’s fly over this guy’s house” but more likely to that it keeps traffic in the busy Seattle area flowing smoothly. You can certainly write to the local Flight Standards District Office and ask them to consider using new waypoints and procedure…

It looks like Vashon Island (from Google Maps).

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by cdolan »

aaron-santos wrote: post #51
askvictor wrote: post #27

Where can hobbyists purchase hackable/programmable internet buttons such as this for a reasonable price? I've seen a few around the place but the costs are exorbitant for what they are, and hacking the Amazon buttons is too much effort (and they're hard to get outside the US)

Is the $15 AWS IoT Button[1] too expensive? [1] https://www.amazon.com/1st-Generation-AWS-IoT-Button/dp/B01C...

For a fun side project probably not, no. Anything past that (even a small scale beta) and yes $15 is quite expensive for what you are getting.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by cabalamat »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #80
cyberferret wrote: post #23

Just wondering if these devices are only issued to people who had houses in that area before the airport was built. IMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Modern aviation is already far quieter, and there are plenty of regulations in place to minimise the noise footprint (e.g. modern fanjet engines are far quieter than the older turbojets,…

> if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Honestly, this line really grinds my gears. Let me explain: First, people don't always know. Actually I think people frequently don't know. It's not like estate/rental agents are known for their outstanding honesty. Also remember that the loudness and frequency of air travel can change a lot . An airpla…

> First, people don't always know. Actually I think people frequently don't know.

Airports are usually shown on maps. I would expect most people to know what a map is. (If they don't, because e.g. they have cognitive issues, maybe they need to get someone to help them).

> It's not like estate/rental agents are known for their outstanding honesty.

People making big purchases should do due dilligence.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by btgeekboy »

333c wrote: post #93
btgeekboy wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FlightAware on mobile isn’t letting me zoom in to see which island you’re on. There’s a few pilots on HN; we can help you look it up. It’s probably not on purpose as in “haha let’s fly over this guy’s house” but more likely to that it keeps traffic in the busy Seattle area flowing smoothly. You can certainly write to the local Flight Standards District Office and ask them to consider using new waypoints and procedure…

It looks like Vashon Island (from Google Maps).

That one’s easy then - to the west, and you’re on the approach path to JBLM. To the east, you’re too close to SEA to properly intercept the final approach course. Vashon Island is also far less populated than the land to the east of SEA.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by blunte »

cabalamat wrote: post #95
Carpetsmoker wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Honestly, this line really grinds my gears. Let me explain: First, people don't always know. Actually I think people frequently don't know. It's not like estate/rental agents are known for their outstanding honesty. Also remember that the loudness and frequency of air travel can change a lot . An airpla…

> First, people don't always know. Actually I think people frequently don't know. Airports are usually shown on maps. I would expect most people to know what a map is. (If they don't, because e.g. they have cognitive issues, maybe they need to get someone to help them). > It's not like estate/rental agents are known for their outstanding honesty. People making big purchases should do due dilligence.

Loudness of aircraft nearby can vary greatly due to weather conditions.

It is quite possible that a location (near an airport) can be relatively quiet one season and very loud another. And if you go home shopping during the quiet period, you may not realize just what you're in for a few months later.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by tjr225 »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #80
cyberferret wrote: post #23

Just wondering if these devices are only issued to people who had houses in that area before the airport was built. IMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Modern aviation is already far quieter, and there are plenty of regulations in place to minimise the noise footprint (e.g. modern fanjet engines are far quieter than the older turbojets,…

> if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Honestly, this line really grinds my gears. Let me explain: First, people don't always know. Actually I think people frequently don't know. It's not like estate/rental agents are known for their outstanding honesty. Also remember that the loudness and frequency of air travel can change a lot . An airpla…

The entire city of Seattle is under a flight path. I can hear a jet right now!

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by ams6110 »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #77
cyberferret wrote: post #23

Just wondering if these devices are only issued to people who had houses in that area before the airport was built. IMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Modern aviation is already far quieter, and there are plenty of regulations in place to minimise the noise footprint (e.g. modern fanjet engines are far quieter than the older turbojets,…

Flight paths change all the time.

Well not all the time. They can change, but approach and departure paths need to be approved by the FAA and published in official navigation charts. So they don't change on a whim.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by leetcrew »

porlune wrote: post #91
cyberferret wrote: post #23

Just wondering if these devices are only issued to people who had houses in that area before the airport was built. IMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Modern aviation is already far quieter, and there are plenty of regulations in place to minimise the noise footprint (e.g. modern fanjet engines are far quieter than the older turbojets,…

I don't think you lose your right to complain, even if you knowingly purchased a home that has a negative externality that you'd like to see removed. If we lived by that logic, places would steadily become worse since complaints would only be valid if you lived there before a change took place. Edit: removed my analogy because that's not really the point of my comment. Edit: would sure like to hear from others about…

the pool analogy is a bit absurd, but similar things can and do happen. for example, if your private driveway connects two public roads and you don't actively prevent the public from exploiting that connectivity, eventually it becomes a public right of way and you lose the legal ability to stop people from using it.

> If we lived by that logic, places would steadily become worse since complaints would only be valid if you lived there before a change took place.

maybe. or maybe if this were the case it would exert a large enough downward pressure on property values that the current owner would be forced to resolve the issue before selling.

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