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Re: Let the Fountain Pens Flow

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I grew up in France, where schools don't allow you to use anything else but fountain pens. They don't teach you how to use one - to me, it's always been the same thing as using a ball pen, except you trade the convenience (you have to change the ink cartridge) for practicality (you can erase the ink with special eraser) while keeping some style (it's still ink, not pencil, kept for drawing). Getting a new pen felt we…

This also explains why Americans tend to doubt the usefulness of learning cursive writing: it is feels terrible and is quite slow when using ball point pens, but smooth and fast with a fountain pen.

> the usefulness of learning cursive writing

Honest question - What do you see about it as being useful? I was taught to write in cursive when I was younger but I honestly don’t feel like it has ever been all that useful (especially given that most of my communication and writing is done on a computer/smartphone).

Re: Let the Fountain Pens Flow

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The airplane bit is a big blocker for me. I've yet to do a successful dropper converter that didn't explode on a plane for me. Forum responses are usually vague and along the lines of "try different viscosity ink," which, yeah, but there's tens of brands and thousands of flavors.

-I've flown with fountain pens several times without incident (though I will admit to being slightly nervous!) I put the success (thus far) down to always filling the pen all the way before flying, and also making sure the nib is pointing upwards at all times. That being said, there's no denying just about any pen is better suited than a fountain pen for flying. Edit: pens I've flown with - Lamy Logo and Dialog 3, va…

Agreed. To be clear, I'll travel with them... I just won't use them on the plane.

Re: Let the Fountain Pens Flow

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I started using fountain pens a couple of years ago, and still do for my daily writing. I write rather a lot; I don't bring my laptop into meetings unless I need to. Combine that with my handwriting being relatively neat, small, and stylized, and I needed something with a sufficiently fine nib, and ink that would flow well through it. It turned into a fascinating optimization problem, during which I ended up down the…

The airplane bit is a big blocker for me. I've yet to do a successful dropper converter that didn't explode on a plane for me. Forum responses are usually vague and along the lines of "try different viscosity ink," which, yeah, but there's tens of brands and thousands of flavors.

I don't think I've flown with a homemade dropper-converted pen. However, I've flown with (and used on the plane) a fully-filled Moonman M2 (~$25 on Amazon), which is built as an eyedropper pen, and I enjoy writing with it.

Re: Let the Fountain Pens Flow

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I grew up in France, where schools don't allow you to use anything else but fountain pens. They don't teach you how to use one - to me, it's always been the same thing as using a ball pen, except you trade the convenience (you have to change the ink cartridge) for practicality (you can erase the ink with special eraser) while keeping some style (it's still ink, not pencil, kept for drawing). Getting a new pen felt we…

This also explains why Americans tend to doubt the usefulness of learning cursive writing: it is feels terrible and is quite slow when using ball point pens, but smooth and fast with a fountain pen.

Not really. I also was forced to use a fountain pen in primary school (UK). A strange hold over since only penmanship hipsters use them in real life, and everyone used them to flick ink on everyone's white shirts.

Anyway back to the point, cursive - or "joined up writing" as we call it - is used by most people into adulthood even though nobody uses fountain pens past primary school because it is quicker than printing.

Re: Let the Fountain Pens Flow

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The demographics are the least of it. The whole article reeks of a kind of superficiality and condescension: "...who had the handsomeness of a 1950s young dad, thick hair like mink, broad shoulders, a warm handshake." I do wish that when newspapers describe a trend, they would stop trying to write literature and simply provide the information. If I want more detail with off-topic asides, I'll subscribe to a magazine…

Honest question. How would one write about a trend/subculture/community/etc without... writing about the sorts of people who comprise it and the community itself? As somebody who's always been into pens but never taken the plunge into fountain pens, I found this to be the most interesting part of the article. Sure, it could have been a simple list of links about places where one can buy pens or whatever. But I alread…

I am totally on board with your point. Giving color to the feel of a community is indeed an important part of reporting. And I think in that context, the inclusion of demographics make sense despite OP's displeasure.

What I object to is the characterization of a single individual based on his looks ("Hair like mink"). Not only does it tell the reader nothing useful, it doesn't give any sense of the community being covered. It's just a superficial aside, which if removed from the article would not lessen the reader's understanding.

Re: Let the Fountain Pens Flow

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Use an iron gall ink, such as this one : http://www.registrarsink.co.uk/

From what I’ve read, iron gall inks are only suitable for use with gold nibs. They will rapidly corrode steel nibs.

Yes, I was also wondering if there are any other nibs besides gold that can survive this ink. Not sure if I'm ready to shell out that much for a fountain pen.

Re: Let the Fountain Pens Flow

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For the veterans. Can anyone make any ink recommendations for inks that don't bleed to the point of completely obscuring the text when the paper is later exposed to a little water?

Two of my favorite inks are waterproof: Noodler’s Baystate Blue is gorgeous and removable only with bleach or very hard scrubbing (filling a pen with it is something of a terrifying ritual); and Noodler’s Warden series Bad Black Moccasin is everything-proof and the smoothest ink I’ve ever used.

Ha! I had not actually considered that an ink that is hard to get out of paper might be hard to get out of your skin as well!

Re: Let the Fountain Pens Flow

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This also explains why Americans tend to doubt the usefulness of learning cursive writing: it is feels terrible and is quite slow when using ball point pens, but smooth and fast with a fountain pen.

> the usefulness of learning cursive writing Honest question - What do you see about it as being useful? I was taught to write in cursive when I was younger but I honestly don’t feel like it has ever been all that useful (especially given that most of my communication and writing is done on a computer/smartphone).

It's much faster when you learn it properly and write it with the proper instrument. Ball point pens are awful for cursive, but when writing with a fountain pen you'll almost automatically switch back to cursive.

Re: Let the Fountain Pens Flow

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The aesthetic value of fountain pens is undeniable but for the left-handed amongst us who refuse to twist their writing hand into some bizarre contortion, the fountain pen will never be viable. My personal left-handed recollections of using fountain pens all involve smears of ink on the side of my hands and smudged lettering.

I'm left-handed and there are several techniques for writing left-handed with a fountain pen. They don't all involve twisting your writing hand into "some bizarre contortion". I collect vintage fountain pens, mostly about a hundred years old with flexible nibs that allow for fancy copperplate calligraphy. These kinds of pens are very delicate and some of them are so sensitive that if you don't know what you're doing…

I am left handed but I write under the line (also known as an underwriter). This allows me to use fountain pens without smudging.

My daughter is a left handed overwriter and I am working with her to get her to position her paper so she learns to write under the line as much as possible without the hook of the hand. She likes fountain pens but smudges them. I used to overwrite st a young age but switched to underwriting when I got frustrated of having ink on my hand every day.

Re: Let the Fountain Pens Flow

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I'm in my mid 30's and have been collecting fountain pens for a few years now. Not a a lot of vintage but I have a few rare limited editions and high end stuff not because of status or collectibility but because I love the materials and look and feel. To be honest, it's the tactility of it. Being all digital all the time makes me miss the closeness to the words when I'm actually writing with a pen and paper. And when…

I'm about 10 years younger than you, and have always been interested in fountain pens, even before I started becoming more cynical about technology. Any advice on how to start collecting them? Or even just finding good ones to use?

It all started when I was looking for a more substantial pen in general. I've always written with a Pilot V hi-tecpoint or some other roller ball like that and found the styling lacking and most of all hated the wasteful nature of plastic pens. The idea of refillable fountain pens was great, and the ones being made today are not like the leaky ones of the past.

So just searching around I landed on a pen store like Goulet Pens, STYLO, Wonderpens, Nibs.com etc and the Reddit community. Theres a ton out there. The big challenge though is that you can get sucked in really fast. The entire experience can become more about the pens than the actual writing and using of the pens. Nathan Tardiff (prolific founder of ink making company Doodlers Inks) is religious about this.

I would recommend studying your writing style a little bit first and understanding your main use cases. Do you need a pen for school? Do you write left handed? Do you want something to show off? Do you lose pens often? Do you travel a lot? How do you currently hold your pens? All of these questions will impact the pen(s) you should purchase and use. I use plural because you might need two pens for different colours, or for inks with different properties like an "eternal" ink that will never fade or a "fancy" colour.

For example if you're a student and write a lot for school you may consider the Lamy Safari line or Pilot Metro. They're not terribly expensive and you can get them in different colours and designs. That being said the Safari has a very specific section (the middle part where you hold a pen) that you may or may not like because it forces your hand into a traditional triangle pattern.

If you're looking for a status symbol you can't go wrong with a Montblanc - now there's a caveat here, most reddit forum types hate on Montblancs because they're expensive for what you seemingly get. However, I'll be honest I have numerous pens spanning all sorts of European, American and Japanese brands and the ones that consistently write all the time without hassle are my Montblancs. Not to mention the lifetime of the pen warranty. If you want different and unique and a piece of art, there's that too. I have a bunch Omas pens that are no longer made (Omas went out of business a couple years ago now) and they're like beautiful inspiring pieces of art between your fingers (now difficult to find and purchase and when you do expensive as heck).

There really is something for everyone but be careful it's easy to blow a budget here. The one thing I don't recommend is starting with cheap brands like Jinhao or HERO. You may have a poor experience the first time if these brands are your first and it will certainly colour your experience.

Sorry for the rambling note. Hope this helps and enjoy the journey!

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