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Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporation tax in the UK is currently at 19%. If you are a UK tax resident, you also have to pay dividend tax which starts at 7.5% (over your allowance).

More information here: https://www.gov.uk/tax-on-dividends It jumps significantly (next step up is 32.5%) once you move into the higher income tax brackets, which start at £46k: https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates

But only for the difference.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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After looking into it for a while, i decided not to do it. Context: I live in Germany for roughly 2/3 of the year, rest is traveling. Not sure where you are located, but if you spend the majority of your time in a other EU country (e.g. Germany) you will have a very hard time explaining to the local tax authorities that the company entity is not effectively being managed from Germany. And when you fail to explain thi…

Through a US company, I employed a US citizen residing in Germany, as a contractor. It was terrible! Every German accountant we talked to acted like he was a unicorn and wanted to charge us tens of thousands of dollars to figure it out. We muddled through, no doubt doing it wrong... but it didn’t seem like there’d be any way that’d be right.

While I'm not a tax expert, our startup is currently building a platform to help with payouts and tax rules. As I understand it, all you need is to get a W9 from the US resident and then file a 1099-MISC annually for him. He may be subject to tax withholding -- but that's all in the instructions on the IRS forms.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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Would it be easier to convince EU customers that your US (SaaS?) business is trustworthy if you operated in Estonia?

I don't think it will make a difference - everyone is used to most internet businesses being from and registered in the US.

In my experience of trying to sell a SaaS to small businesses, their only location-based concern is about where the data is hosted and if we are GDPR compliant. If you can offer hosting in some EU AWS or Google Cloud region that will be much more useful.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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I considered it for my SaaS business. But at the moment my business is based in Poland, so moving to Estonia doesn't change things much (I still can't economically sell to individuals within the EU because of idiotic VAT regulations). I chose to remain in Poland for the time being. On the plus side: low taxes, EU law, first patent troll doesn't bankrupt my business. On the minus side: Stripe continues to ignore Polan…

Can you elaborate on how does being in Poland protect you from patent trolls?

It's not being in Poland that helps, it's being outside the US that matters. USA is the only country I know where you can successfully run small companies into the ground just by suing them (for pretty much anything, but patents are a good vehicle for this). The legal system is such that small companies are at a distinct disadvantage (because of complex precedent-based law and legal fees).

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #29

I considered it for my SaaS business. But at the moment my business is based in Poland, so moving to Estonia doesn't change things much (I still can't economically sell to individuals within the EU because of idiotic VAT regulations). I chose to remain in Poland for the time being. On the plus side: low taxes, EU law, first patent troll doesn't bankrupt my business. On the minus side: Stripe continues to ignore Polan…

What VAT regulations are keeping you from selling to other EU customers?

The need to keep track of all VAT rates across the EU, charge all individual customers their respective VAT, gather everything into VAT MOSS reports, pay everything with appropriate conversion rates chosen. It's not impossible, just complex, and in general not worth the effort if you're charging several dollars a month.

If you think this is easy, tell me how much VAT (and in which currency) you will charge a customer from AX today, and what you'll do about a customer from GB in March. None of this is obvious, and it all changes quickly.

As others have pointed out, there are services that supposedly help with this. I looked at everything that was available a couple of years ago and none of the available solutions did this easily and correctly. It's not an easily outsourceable problem, either, as it has to integrate closely with your billing.

For B2B customers this is not an issue: you don't charge VAT (reverse charge) and you're done.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently VAT collection was changed for electronic services. Before you simply charged your countries applicable tax rate, unless a VAT ID was provided. Now you have to charge the VAT rate applicable to your customers country of residence, forcing every vendor to care for and implement correct VAT rates and regulations for all your products and every of the 28 countries in the EU - possibly even more due to bilateral…

Fines yes but felony charges? Any references to that for the weird EU VAT of that actually happening unless it was deliberate, large scale avoidance? I messed up with it a lot but (obviously) accidentally and on a small scale; I get a slap on the wrist and some back taxes when audited. Not even fines.

I don't know about other countries, but in Poland the tax authorities are pretty strict, especially where VAT is concerned. It's good, because things are becoming clean and predictable, but you really do not want to get things wrong. You won't go to jail of course (unless you've defrauded bajillions), but fines and regular inspections will hurt your business pretty quickly.

Doing VAT wrong is really not an option.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #44

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Can you elaborate on how does being in Poland protect you from patent trolls?

I'm not the OP, but a company I worked for once had reason to set up a US presence, but decided against it because once you have a US entity, patent trolls have someone to sue in their jurisdiction.

Exactly. This is also one of the big reasons why Stripe Atlas is not necessarily a good idea for companies from outside the US.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently VAT collection was changed for electronic services. Before you simply charged your countries applicable tax rate, unless a VAT ID was provided. Now you have to charge the VAT rate applicable to your customers country of residence, forcing every vendor to care for and implement correct VAT rates and regulations for all your products and every of the 28 countries in the EU - possibly even more due to bilateral…

Fines yes but felony charges? Any references to that for the weird EU VAT of that actually happening unless it was deliberate, large scale avoidance? I messed up with it a lot but (obviously) accidentally and on a small scale; I get a slap on the wrist and some back taxes when audited. Not even fines.

Yep. Of course you’ll have to be negligent if not willfully wrong in your returns. But VAT ain’t nuthin’ to fuck with. It will come back to you.
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