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How the Valley treats experienced people

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Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Despite a distinct lack of egalatarianism, the US remains the place where someone born at the bottom can still climb the social ladder. Billionaire-hood may escape them, but they're not doomed.

remains "the" place? the number one determinant of future success in the US is the zip code in which you're born.

Causation isn’t correlation; zip code is easy to measure, but I’d bet it’s not what actually matters.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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I dunno. Maybe it's because I was just sitting here reading Ian Stewart's chapter on Sally Clark and pondering probability, but I rather suspect that the probability that you're over 50 and suck is much higher than the probability that you are over 50 and are a badass. Mostly because the probability that you suck is incredibly high. And I'm saying this as someone who is over 50, with a phd, a bunch of programming lan…

I think your definition of suck is different than that of the authors.

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If one thinks 35+ is to old to code, well I have news for you. At 35+ you learn how to manage time and prioritize better. Life throws another ranch in your bucket of problems, marriage and children. When you are young, you are hired as an engineer to work 40 hours, which we all know very well that working for startups that means 80 hours or you are not putting good effort. Well with a family that’s not possible, as y…

Unfortunately these kinds of shitty recruiters and companies will always be around - none of them are thinking about lofty societal goods like family or what happens 40 years later, they are thinking about how to get the most work for the lowest price for their company. As long as droves of young people continue to flock to tech to try and get their share of the money, hiring is a buyers market. Throwing out old peop…

If there's fewer kids born today, there's a likelihood of fewer coders in 20 years.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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post #88

If one thinks 35+ is to old to code, well I have news for you. At 35+ you learn how to manage time and prioritize better. Life throws another ranch in your bucket of problems, marriage and children. When you are young, you are hired as an engineer to work 40 hours, which we all know very well that working for startups that means 80 hours or you are not putting good effort. Well with a family that’s not possible, as y…

The distinction between valley culture and everywhere else is never made in these pieces which is a pity. I work in fortune 500s and we’re all 40+ in these companies. I rarely see 20s.

And when you do see a 20-something, they're often kind of sketchy, since good ones are preferentially siphoned of into the valley.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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post #88

If one thinks 35+ is to old to code, well I have news for you. At 35+ you learn how to manage time and prioritize better. Life throws another ranch in your bucket of problems, marriage and children. When you are young, you are hired as an engineer to work 40 hours, which we all know very well that working for startups that means 80 hours or you are not putting good effort. Well with a family that’s not possible, as y…

I agree with you but if a startup really wants people working 80 hours a week, then a family man who wants to work 40 hrs isn't a good match for the firm.

"A startup that really wants people working 80 hours a week" sounds like the most US thing I've heard/read this month.

The US work culture is utterly insane. They say that the Japanese work extreme long hours, but from my experience, it's quite similar for big cities in the US.

Sounds like a sure way to a burnout, getting fat, and losing your family.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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post #88

If one thinks 35+ is to old to code, well I have news for you. At 35+ you learn how to manage time and prioritize better. Life throws another ranch in your bucket of problems, marriage and children. When you are young, you are hired as an engineer to work 40 hours, which we all know very well that working for startups that means 80 hours or you are not putting good effort. Well with a family that’s not possible, as y…

Life throws another ranch in your bucket of problems Did you mean "wrench", as in "throw a wrench in the works"?

Speaking as someone who has relatives in the field, a ranch is a problem.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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Article commits a classic fallacy: one bad example leading to a general statement because the latter makes a better headline. Rather like going from ‘my friend’s house got robbed’ to ‘all houses get robbed’.

Because the author related 2 anecdotes din't mean they're the only ones they witnessed. They may have seen a pattern over time.

... which should be mentioned with numbers. Otherwise go by what's in the article - 2 anecdotes. My anecdote is that I'm > 40 but highly saught after engineer,by several CEOs far younger than me. But I know it does not mean that's the general pattern.

Edit: everything in the article was a good read, except the generalization in its title

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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post #82

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Don't beat yourself up, hindsight is 20/20.

The only one I beat myself up over is hanging on to options too long, since that was greed. The other decisions were all reasonable given what I knew at the time.

The next time you are in that situation: exercise half, keep the other half in case they go up further. Protect your downside.

Re: How the Valley treats experienced people

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post #117

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I agree with you but if a startup really wants people working 80 hours a week, then a family man who wants to work 40 hrs isn't a good match for the firm.

"A startup that really wants people working 80 hours a week" sounds like the most US thing I've heard/read this month. The US work culture is utterly insane. They say that the Japanese work extreme long hours, but from my experience, it's quite similar for big cities in the US. Sounds like a sure way to a burnout, getting fat, and losing your family.

I wonder if I'm just a lousy human being, or are these startups full of cheats. For me, working 25-30 hours a week (really working, not pretending to work or sitting disengaged in meetings) is probably a long-term maximum of sustainable effort. How the hell are these people working 80 hours a week?
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