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Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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I considered it for my SaaS business. But at the moment my business is based in Poland, so moving to Estonia doesn't change things much (I still can't economically sell to individuals within the EU because of idiotic VAT regulations). I chose to remain in Poland for the time being. On the plus side: low taxes, EU law, first patent troll doesn't bankrupt my business. On the minus side: Stripe continues to ignore Polan…

Can you elaborate on how does being in Poland protect you from patent trolls?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #9

In my experience a lot of freelancers are using it (especially when they like to work in different countries). Personally I’m quite happy using it and it’s a way better experience in comparison with the chamber of commerce in the Netherlands when you start freelancing (had some bad experiences unfortunately when they sold my data to shady companies which will target you with fake invoices/bad deals/spamming). Another…

How do you avoid that the company becomes a dutch tax resident if you manage it from the Netherlands most of the time?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #14

Double taxation seems to be the main pain point looking at the comments. It will help to google and see if your country has a tax treaty with estonia.

Just "having" a treaty is not enough. Germany has a treaty with Estonia, but it doesn't protect you. The Estonian company WILL become a german tax resident if the company is being managed by a German citizen living in Germany 99% of the time.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #29

I considered it for my SaaS business. But at the moment my business is based in Poland, so moving to Estonia doesn't change things much (I still can't economically sell to individuals within the EU because of idiotic VAT regulations). I chose to remain in Poland for the time being. On the plus side: low taxes, EU law, first patent troll doesn't bankrupt my business. On the minus side: Stripe continues to ignore Polan…

Can you elaborate on how does being in Poland protect you from patent trolls?

I'm not the OP, but a company I worked for once had reason to set up a US presence, but decided against it because once you have a US entity, patent trolls have someone to sue in their jurisdiction.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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Seriously guys, consult an accountant, a tax lawyer or just someone who could have at least a clue what you are trying to do. There are reasons to incorporate companies that are not in your place of residence, for example: vat registration and to have a "front-door" in that country for selling to the public, for procurement, for legal reasons (e.g. if you sell products in the EU, you need to have an EU contact address listed on the product) etc. International taxation is not easy and nobody will explain to you the problems here but there will be for sure problems. If you want to do it right, you usually pay what you saved in registration to the accountant instead. And no, you won't save any tax. Let me be clear, you won't save any tax! If you do, it's either called tax avoidance (punishable in many countries!) or you are an international company that already has a tax accountant/lawyer to structure things properly, has substance in those countries and will for sure not ask questions here.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What VAT regulations are keeping you from selling to other EU customers?

Recently VAT collection was changed for electronic services. Before you simply charged your countries applicable tax rate, unless a VAT ID was provided. Now you have to charge the VAT rate applicable to your customers country of residence, forcing every vendor to care for and implement correct VAT rates and regulations for all your products and every of the 28 countries in the EU - possibly even more due to bilateral…

I found the VAT place of supply rules to be inconvenient but reasonably straightforward to comply with. Several billing platforms will collect VAT across the EU on your behalf, or there are third-party solutions that will integrate with your own payment gateway.

I have no idea what the situation is in Poland, but there's no such thing as a "felony" in my country; an honest mistake on my tax return is an honest mistake, not a criminal offence. I'd only be criminally liable if I was unreasonably negligent or acted with the deliberate intent to deceive. As long as I a) record the customer's country for each transaction and b) fill out my VAT MOSS return accordingly every quarter, the tax authorities (HMRC) are perfectly happy.

https://quaderno.io/resources/eu-vat-guide/

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #9

In my experience a lot of freelancers are using it (especially when they like to work in different countries). Personally I’m quite happy using it and it’s a way better experience in comparison with the chamber of commerce in the Netherlands when you start freelancing (had some bad experiences unfortunately when they sold my data to shady companies which will target you with fake invoices/bad deals/spamming). Another…

How do you avoid that the company becomes a dutch tax resident if you manage it from the Netherlands most of the time?

There are limitations like I cannot rent an office for longer than six months and my company is registered in Estonia with an Estonian address (I use leapin.eu which takes care of the accounting part). I get your point and when you are selling physical products I cannot see how that would be possible. However if you are doing location independent work like coding or designing it is almost effortless to not become a tax resident.

Also the Dutch tax laws don’t care about the company as long as you pay the personal income tax plus some employee insurance tax.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #9

In my experience a lot of freelancers are using it (especially when they like to work in different countries). Personally I’m quite happy using it and it’s a way better experience in comparison with the chamber of commerce in the Netherlands when you start freelancing (had some bad experiences unfortunately when they sold my data to shady companies which will target you with fake invoices/bad deals/spamming). Another…

would this be a good option for a consulting business, or services in IT ?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #22

I set up a company and bank account a couple of months ago. It was very easy. We are in development so don't have any customers yet, so I can't tell you how taxes etc will be but I can tell you the process of dealing with the .ee government so far is paradise compared to the US process.

Would you say it might work for a consulting and IT services business? did you experience any hidden costs, thanks

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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post #9

In my experience a lot of freelancers are using it (especially when they like to work in different countries). Personally I’m quite happy using it and it’s a way better experience in comparison with the chamber of commerce in the Netherlands when you start freelancing (had some bad experiences unfortunately when they sold my data to shady companies which will target you with fake invoices/bad deals/spamming). Another…

would this be a good option for a consulting business, or services in IT ?

It depends on the size and the structure of the company/business you want to start. Imho I think it is excellent for freelancers, but I would seriously think about another option when you want to start a company with other people and give out stocks to employees in the future.
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