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Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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I considered it for my SaaS business. But at the moment my business is based in Poland, so moving to Estonia doesn't change things much (I still can't economically sell to individuals within the EU because of idiotic VAT regulations). I chose to remain in Poland for the time being. On the plus side: low taxes, EU law, first patent troll doesn't bankrupt my business. On the minus side: Stripe continues to ignore Polan…

What VAT regulations are keeping you from selling to other EU customers?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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I considered it for my SaaS business. But at the moment my business is based in Poland, so moving to Estonia doesn't change things much (I still can't economically sell to individuals within the EU because of idiotic VAT regulations). I chose to remain in Poland for the time being. On the plus side: low taxes, EU law, first patent troll doesn't bankrupt my business. On the minus side: Stripe continues to ignore Polan…

What VAT regulations are keeping you from selling to other EU customers?

Recently VAT collection was changed for electronic services. Before you simply charged your countries applicable tax rate, unless a VAT ID was provided. Now you have to charge the VAT rate applicable to your customers country of residence, forcing every vendor to care for and implement correct VAT rates and regulations for all your products and every of the 28 countries in the EU - possibly even more due to bilateral free market agreements with Norway, Switzerland and the like.

This is way more complicated than you might think, as improper tax collection may constitute felony charges and fines, leaving small businesses and startups in an awkward spot where not selling to other eu countries is easier than selling to them in a compliant way, putting the idea of a single market ad absurdum. The last thing you would want is pointless market entry barriers affecting every entity offering cross border sales.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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After looking into it for a while, i decided not to do it. Context: I live in Germany for roughly 2/3 of the year, rest is traveling. Not sure where you are located, but if you spend the majority of your time in a other EU country (e.g. Germany) you will have a very hard time explaining to the local tax authorities that the company entity is not effectively being managed from Germany. And when you fail to explain thi…

Through a US company, I employed a US citizen residing in Germany, as a contractor. It was terrible! Every German accountant we talked to acted like he was a unicorn and wanted to charge us tens of thousands of dollars to figure it out. We muddled through, no doubt doing it wrong... but it didn’t seem like there’d be any way that’d be right.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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What VAT regulations are keeping you from selling to other EU customers?

Recently VAT collection was changed for electronic services. Before you simply charged your countries applicable tax rate, unless a VAT ID was provided. Now you have to charge the VAT rate applicable to your customers country of residence, forcing every vendor to care for and implement correct VAT rates and regulations for all your products and every of the 28 countries in the EU - possibly even more due to bilateral…

Seems like something that could be greatly simplified to the point of being a non-issue by software (either standalone or a service), and if one doesn’t already exist, seems like a good opportunity. This is similar to how state taxes work in the US and many small businesses manage.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What VAT regulations are keeping you from selling to other EU customers?

Recently VAT collection was changed for electronic services. Before you simply charged your countries applicable tax rate, unless a VAT ID was provided. Now you have to charge the VAT rate applicable to your customers country of residence, forcing every vendor to care for and implement correct VAT rates and regulations for all your products and every of the 28 countries in the EU - possibly even more due to bilateral…

Fines yes but felony charges? Any references to that for the weird EU VAT of that actually happening unless it was deliberate, large scale avoidance? I messed up with it a lot but (obviously) accidentally and on a small scale; I get a slap on the wrist and some back taxes when audited. Not even fines.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently VAT collection was changed for electronic services. Before you simply charged your countries applicable tax rate, unless a VAT ID was provided. Now you have to charge the VAT rate applicable to your customers country of residence, forcing every vendor to care for and implement correct VAT rates and regulations for all your products and every of the 28 countries in the EU - possibly even more due to bilateral…

Seems like something that could be greatly simplified to the point of being a non-issue by software (either standalone or a service), and if one doesn’t already exist, seems like a good opportunity. This is similar to how state taxes work in the US and many small businesses manage.

Isn't it just as simple as tax it if you have an actual store in-state and don't if not?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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I set up a company and bank account a couple of months ago. It was very easy. We are in development so don't have any customers yet, so I can't tell you how taxes etc will be but I can tell you the process of dealing with the .ee government so far is paradise compared to the US process.

Did you need a local address and phone number?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing business using Estonian e-residency?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently VAT collection was changed for electronic services. Before you simply charged your countries applicable tax rate, unless a VAT ID was provided. Now you have to charge the VAT rate applicable to your customers country of residence, forcing every vendor to care for and implement correct VAT rates and regulations for all your products and every of the 28 countries in the EU - possibly even more due to bilateral…

Seems like something that could be greatly simplified to the point of being a non-issue by software (either standalone or a service), and if one doesn’t already exist, seems like a good opportunity. This is similar to how state taxes work in the US and many small businesses manage.

Gumroad handles VAT-EU for you[0] but I didn't tried it. If anyone worked with them, here are some questions I have:

- do they send one monthly payment? If so, from which country?

- is VAT-EU number needed?

- if I don't register for VAT (don't reach yearly selling threshold), do I get full payout? Are clients charged for VAT in such scenario?

- what documents do I get from them, in case of tax office review?

- is 3.5% + $0.30 fee applicable to EU customers or is there some additional cost (I assume not, but I ask just to be sure)?

- if I sell digital product, what should I do about e.g. Canadian/Indian/Japanese/whatever sell taxes?

[0] http://blog.gumroad.com/post/110080508463/vat

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