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Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by judge2020 »

1001101 wrote: post #147
SilasX wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So ... PayPal made the right call.

Cutting a business off from the financial system seems like a fairly harsh punishment for plagiarism, especially when there are other routes for a remedy. We may never know if that was the reason, though, so it's hard to measure whether justice was done or not.

I suspect that one of the sites they plagiarized which accept PP donations/subscriptions asked PP to take them off or risk the large news company switching to another payment processor.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by floatingatoll »

EvilTerran wrote: post #33
twayback wrote: post #18

This is a fraud website which has mercilessly ripped off content from other sites and published as its own. Also it has published a ton of proprietary information from time to time. Good riddance!

Do you have any citations for these claims? Not calling you a liar or anything - I'm just not at all familiar with the site in question, and it seems like it'd be important evidence if we want to fairly judge paypal's behavior here.

See also other comments upstream in this thread.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by sparkie »

beerlord wrote: post #65
barry-cotter wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well everyone who wants to accept payments on the internet ultimately relies on VisaMasterCard. They will shut you off and get other payment processors to shut you off like happened to SubscribeStar when they set up as a Patreon competitor. https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1076886857445711872?s... Long twitter thread on the relation between MasterCard, Visa and Patreon and how the credit card cartel is attempti…

Scary stuff. That's the real reason to use and encourage Crypto: to avoid political censorhip and control. Its a shame it was co-opted by mining and speculation.

Had bitcoin not been sold as a way to get rich, it's likely that most people would have still never heard of it.

It's unfortunate that most people misunderstand what Bitcoin is because they can only think of it in terms of legacy financial instruments (ie, treat it like a stock).

However, there's no doubt that many people who are in it for the technology and liberty got to know about it because someone else made money and started bragging.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

1001101 wrote: post #147
SilasX wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So ... PayPal made the right call.

Cutting a business off from the financial system seems like a fairly harsh punishment for plagiarism, especially when there are other routes for a remedy. We may never know if that was the reason, though, so it's hard to measure whether justice was done or not.

Well, there's plagiarism and then there's impersonating a well-known (admittedly in niche circles) brand to make money. I think they made a good call here.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by judge2020 »

mrep wrote: post #102
Tehnix wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MasterCard and Visa are though. If you note elsewhere in the thread, it’s basically on their request that a lot of people have been banned.

MasterCard and Visa, 2 seperate companies in the same space are "monopolies"? You literally just proved yourself wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by naasking »

SilasX wrote: post #139
ccnafr wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They intentionally named their site that way to capitalize on Google search result traffic. If you read their articles, you realize they can barely put together two English sentences with proper grammar and structure. Furthermore, most of their articles are stolen from other sites. I've seen journalists from Motherboard, The Register, and Bleeping Computer accuse them of blatantly copying articles, and when I checked…

So ... PayPal made the right call.

Why should a payment processor be able to make such legal decisions? That's what the courts are for. The current trend of cutting services for political reasons is problematic at best, particularly when there's arguably a monopoly.

There needs to be more transparency, and a clear and fair system for arbitration and dispute resolution. Better still, one that's consistent across all digital services so people know what to expect when signing up without wading through a novel's worth of user agreements.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

rococode wrote: post #24
sokoloff wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This site, with the name "Hacker News", was already popular and predates the other site by several years. If I launched a new site called "TheFacebook.com" tomorrow, what proof would you need that I was, at a minimum, knowingly causing confusion?

I think that's not a great comparison. Hacker News is still essentially a niche site known to people who care about a specific set of fields relevant to startups. If you asked a random person on the street they probably wouldn't know about Y Combinator, much less Hacker News. I'm not sure how to measure the actual level of recognition of a brand name, but I feel that Hacker News falls into the second or third tier of…

How about "The Reddit" then?

Or if that spelling is too specific, "The Read It"

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

Tehnix wrote: post #145
briandear wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However, sites could accept IBAN transfers, Diner’s Club, Bank drafts, Amex, Discover, JCB, Apple Pay (Apple Pay Cash)... People could even use Transferwise. The are a lot of ways to not have to accept MC or Visa.

That's about as real an alternative as if I said you could just send me a mail instead of sending me an email. > IBAN transfers...Transferwise Obviously incredibly slow and a lot of work. > Diner’s Club, Amex, Discover, JCB Haven't seen these in Europe. > Apple Pay (Apple Pay Cash) Limited to banks that support it. In e.g. Denmark, that's only two of the minor ones, meaning far from the majority of people.

You haven't seen AMEX in Europe? I've had one for years and used it all over Europe with zero problems whatsoever.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by sparkie »

timthorn wrote: post #135
simonh wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK we mostly use debit cards these days, although the term ‘credit card’ seems to generally include debit cards. I haven’t had a credit card for almost a decade. Everytime an online store says credit cards only, it’s taken my debit card.

> we mostly use debit cards these days Which seems odd to me. Credit cards offer the advantages of points/cashback and more importantly the Consumer Credit Act, such that the card issuer is jointly liable for the goods. I only use my debit card to withdraw cash as the protections and incentives with my credit cards are much better.

The UK has more consumer protection laws in general, so the need for the card issuer to provide protection is not as necessary.

Credit cards have some perks, but they also have interest rates which debit cards do not. Many people would rather avoid getting into debt at all, because it can be very easy to go just over budget and end up paying more than you wanted, or getting locked in a debt spiral where you can't afford to pay off the growing interest.

Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days

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Post by staplers »

barry-cotter wrote: post #50
febin wrote: post #20

Paypal has done this multiple times, here are some incidents. https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/My-Account/Permanent-BAN... https://medium.com/@puntofisso/paypal-closed-my-account-with... https://www.elliott.org/blog/banned-from-palpal-account-limi... https://www.success.grownupgeek.com/index.php/2008/04/05/pay... Completely relying on any third party is a bad idea. We should consider the risks when we signup to an…

Well everyone who wants to accept payments on the internet ultimately relies on VisaMasterCard. They will shut you off and get other payment processors to shut you off like happened to SubscribeStar when they set up as a Patreon competitor. https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1076886857445711872?s... Long twitter thread on the relation between MasterCard, Visa and Patreon and how the credit card cartel is attempti…

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