Earlier quoted context omitted.
Define hacking
Hacking: cut with rough or heavy blows. "I watched them hack the branches" First definition given by google. That was easy.
So both sites are not about hacking, no need to talk about meaning then.
PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days
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Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days
#52This is a fraud website which has mercilessly ripped off content from other sites and published as its own. Also it has published a ton of proprietary information from time to time. Good riddance!
Do you have any citations for these claims? Not calling you a liar or anything - I'm just not at all familiar with the site in question, and it seems like it'd be important evidence if we want to fairly judge paypal's behavior here.
Just browse the site for a bit.
Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days
#53Regardless of weather the `THN` name is confusing or not and regardless of the speculations, does paypal need to give a reason for termination? Are they legally obligated? Is it something they should do for the sake of customers? Should one get mad at `THN` because there name overlaps HN and they supposedly are `real hack` or should we be mad at paypal because it's overreaching it's powers?
When PayPal bans a site it's always for breaking their TOS. Sometimes the specific parts of that TOS are bullshit, but most of the time it turns out that it was a pretty flagrant violation of those terms.
I don't feel sorry for anyone who still uses PayPal to collect money for a use that has been specifically banned in their TOS, and anything that even starts to encroach on illegal matters falls into that. Information about how to break into computer systems (hacking) definitely falls into that and they should have known they were on shaky ground.
Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days
#54They also reportedly shutdown Subscribe Star recently, when people started to use it instead of Patreon, in the wake of the Patreon banning of some prominent You Tuber. This isn't working. The free market doesn't seem to work well in the tech world, where we have all powerfull monopolies controlling what we say, what we know and what we buy. We need new laws.
Can you expand on this line of reasoning a bit? Specifically, what's stopping a competitor from eating Paypal's lunch right now? They have a majority market share now, but disruption still seems a possibility. Often it seems would-be disruptors get bought by the goliaths, but that's on the owners of the disruptors making their company purchasable such as through accepting investor money. On the flip side, if we did g…
>Specifically, what's stopping a competitor from eating Paypal's lunch right now?
There's already regulations (or industry rules) regarding money laundering, credit card processing, credit card charge backs, international money transfers, etc, etc. That alone creates a decent barrier to entry.
Then there's other issues such as merchants lying, customers lying, refunds, stolen accounts, etc. PayPal closes accounts (and so on) as a consequence of trying to deal with all these issues.
I'd posit that PayPal does not suck because it's PayPal but because of the product itself and anyone who tried to fully replicate it would run into the same issues (and thus suck just as much).
Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
This site, with the name "Hacker News", was already popular and predates the other site by several years. If I launched a new site called "TheFacebook.com" tomorrow, what proof would you need that I was, at a minimum, knowingly causing confusion?
I think that's not a great comparison. Hacker News is still essentially a niche site known to people who care about a specific set of fields relevant to startups. If you asked a random person on the street they probably wouldn't know about Y Combinator, much less Hacker News. I'm not sure how to measure the actual level of recognition of a brand name, but I feel that Hacker News falls into the second or third tier of…
The popularity is not the most important factor in a brand trial, it's the domain.
There can't be two companies with the same name in the same niche, which is what is happening here.
Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days
#56They also reportedly shutdown Subscribe Star recently, when people started to use it instead of Patreon, in the wake of the Patreon banning of some prominent You Tuber. This isn't working. The free market doesn't seem to work well in the tech world, where we have all powerfull monopolies controlling what we say, what we know and what we buy. We need new laws.
Can you expand on this line of reasoning a bit? Specifically, what's stopping a competitor from eating Paypal's lunch right now? They have a majority market share now, but disruption still seems a possibility. Often it seems would-be disruptors get bought by the goliaths, but that's on the owners of the disruptors making their company purchasable such as through accepting investor money. On the flip side, if we did g…
Gee, if it’s that easy to find a new payment processor when Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, Stripe and four others all drop you on the same day SubscribeStar should have a new payment processor by now. They don’t. It’s been three weeks. No member of the payment processing cartel will touch you if MasterVisa won’t because then they’ll get you cut off.
https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1076886857445711872?s...
Long twitter thread on the relation between MasterCard, Visa and Patreon and how the credit card cartel is attempting to minimise political risk.
Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days
#57Regardless of weather the `THN` name is confusing or not and regardless of the speculations, does paypal need to give a reason for termination? Are they legally obligated? Is it something they should do for the sake of customers? Should one get mad at `THN` because there name overlaps HN and they supposedly are `real hack` or should we be mad at paypal because it's overreaching it's powers?
They are legally obligated to NOT give a reason for anything that relates to money laundering, fraud and customer verification.
Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days
#58This is a fraud website which has mercilessly ripped off content from other sites and published as its own. Also it has published a ton of proprietary information from time to time. Good riddance!
Perhaps they are, but then they should be sued out of existence or left alone if what they do isn't ilegal. That is far preferable to a world where giant, unaccountable corporations act like police, judge and executioner.
Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days
#59Please note that "The Hacker News" is a separate site unrelated to "Hacker News".
They intentionally named their site that way to capitalize on Google search result traffic. If you read their articles, you realize they can barely put together two English sentences with proper grammar and structure. Furthermore, most of their articles are stolen from other sites. I've seen journalists from Motherboard, The Register, and Bleeping Computer accuse them of blatantly copying articles, and when I checked out the articles, they were right. I have zero problems with this. Couldn't have happened to a bunch of bigger assholes.
And I'm not the only one who noticed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18783710
Re: PayPal has permanently banned The Hacker News and hold funds for 180 days
#60From the follow-up tweet:
> Instead of giving a valid reason, company says "specific reasons for such a decision is proprietary & it is not released since that could impair PayPal's ability to do business in a safe and secure manner"
I've been trying to close my PayPal account for the last week and will keep trying, but so far have not been able to. I've had this account since 2000. I want to close it because of the treatment of SubscribeStar and others. I've never watched a video by Sargon of Akkad. But even if it was Adolph of Hitler I'd be concerned about this behavior by Patreon. For PayPal to back them up by dropping a competitor is enough for me to want to reciprocate.
First, PayPal required me to individually cancel most of the vendors I've paid via PayPal in the last decade or so, and made it difficult to discover how to do that. But I finally figured it out and cancelled them all. If they weren't being mulish about this it seems like it would be easy for them to do the same as part of the process of closing the account.
Now that I've done this I still can't cancel via their web site. I get the message "Before you close your account -- Sorry, there's a problem. If you keep seeing this, please contact customer service." There is no email address on their contact page. Their pop-up chat app on the contact page freezes immediately and is unusable. I'll call them if I have to, but I shouldn't have to. The issues closing the account are by themselves enough to make me want to close it.
When I do manage to close the account I'm hoping that they ask me for a reason, at which point I plan to tell them "specific reasons for such a decision is proprietary & it is not released since that could impair my ability to do business in a safe and secure manner."