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It’s more work, and that’s exactly the problem. A teacher deserves to go home and enjoy their family and life outside of work. The only way to make this possible is to have students and parents understand that after a certain point the grade is simply final, so if you want a good grade it’s your responsibility to learn the material prior to exams or large projects or assignments being due. Everyone knows this; there…
Well it's a pay issue too isn't it? If a family paid for the teachers time for extra work, then I'm guessing the pushback wouldn't be as bad.
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#1427 hour a day have no motivation other than preparing kids for 9 to 5 jobs and depriving kids of their valuable time and potential.
Software used in education has a lot of room for improvement. A 1 man operation like 3Blue1Brown has done more for education than man-centuries of work in education software.
Kids spend years learning inefficient arithmetic algorithms. An 8 year old abacus user wipes the floor with an American teacher in mental math.
With respect to civics, kids learn about democracy in Ancient Greece but don't learn about corporations and lobbying, which nowadays has more weight than democracy.
A lot of adults today don't remember that Americans were given free land grants in the Mexican states of Alta California and Tejas (now California and Texas respectively, top American states by GDP) and then revolted against the Mexicans to later be annexed by the US. Similar story in Hawaii. The US set a shitty precedent in terms of respecting borders, sovereignty and immigration, creating the crisis that is now being weaponized today by corporations to transfer their blame to laborers that spend all their money in food rather than the true reason for our economic situation: trillions of dollars taken from taxpayers to pay "Quantitative easing" to the financial mafia and more trillions wasted in wars that achieved nothing other than make private defense contractors richer.
Kids won't learn about how the US Chinese exclusion act started the opium poppy planting industry in Mexico that later evolved into the humanitarian clusterfuck that is the War on drugs.
Kids won't learn about mass incarceration and its legal foundations like the loopholes that are possible by the 13th amendment to the US constitution.
Kids won't learn about mass surveillance by corporations and governments and how their privacy is being taken away.
Kids won't spend a lot of time thinking about compound interest and how it can make or break their lives, or how population doubles every 63 years and what will happen to us if this keeps happening.
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#143One of my favourite hypotheticals to play out is what would be like if we somehow paid public school teachers and emergency services/law enforcement professionals an extreme of today, a million usd a year, and increased the difficulty to attain this work. I usually end up in a pretty good place but I'd be curious what others think/why this couldn't work?
I think a generally cheaper and easier way to manage it would be to require all children, rich and poor, go to the same schools. The economic factors would change pretty dramatically for being a public school teacher.
Everything for the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. Mussolini
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#144I was about to graduate with a CS degree from a top 20 program in 2006 when it occurred to me that I really, really loved my time as an undergrad TA running the labs for the intro to computer science course. From a kid up till then, I'd always received the complement that I had a way of explaining things and I figured if I could do this every day for my career I'd never work a day in my life. So I went on to enroll at Illinois State University, the program that produces the most teachers in the state, to get a second bachelor's degree in secondary education and get certified in teaching Math and Computer Science.
My time there involved taking a few additional math courses, a course about unions, a handful of pre-student teaching type courses where you go and sit in on real high school classes and observe, and a couple classes where I learned everything there is to know about social justice, which I and my peers were all about and ate up whole-heartedly (and I still believe in).
Fast forward to our last semester when we're about to graduate and someone finally asks our well liked professor, "Is now the time when you'll teach us about classroom management?" Which, over the course of three years had been drilled into our heads as the #1 reason that teachers quit early on in their career. Our professors, people that spoke at the conferences we attended, and the teachers we shadowed all told us the same thing over, and over, and over. The answer we got from our professor was "Ahhhh, well, you know, that's something everybody needs to work out on their own." And that was it. We graduated and were left to fend for ourselves.
I should also say, there were no courses on lesson plan writing either, at all. Which is strange because it is something a new teacher spends a huuuuuge amount of time on, since tomorrow is going to come, and there’s nothing to present until you make one. And this is on top of grading papers. Also strange is that there is no central repository for celebrated lesson plans. The assumption is that every teacher should come up with their own unique take on things and design their own version of a given lesson from first principles. It came from a place of "Boy, It'd sure stink if we were forced to teach a prescribed lesson plan when I've come up with a better way, one that fits my delivery style better and would truly be better for my students". Which are real concerns. But to not give brand new teachers at least a starting point of 'best practices', which they could then iterate on as they go, and perhaps even contribute their improvements upstream, is absolutely criminal in my book. You graduate and you start with nothing.
So that was me, a Computer Science grad at heart with the best of intentions, plunged into teaching nothing but low level math (because I would have to work at least five years before I’d have enough seniority to teach anything else) at an inner city high school where students would get up and start dancing in the middle of class to music played on their phones, throw skittles at me when I’m at the board, and if you send them to the dean then you can’t manage your classroom. And I certainly couldn’t!
When it came time for parent teacher conferences, it was a total of 4 student's parents that came. And those were the 4 parents that I didn't need to talk to because their sons and daughters were doing just fine. It was the other 116 parents that I really needed to talk to :-(
The people I saw succeed were the children of parents who were also teachers. I assume they grew up with their parents telling them the little nuggets of wisdom that are so crucial, but left out of the formal education process. Such basics as, “It’s easier to relax rules later than to institute more strict rules down the road”. And many others. I really, really hope other schools are better. And that Illinois State University has improved. But based on the experience I had by enrolling in 2006, it’s really seems like it's just a sham, and you had better have some way of gaining actual knowledge of how things work in the classroom from elsewhere if you want to succeed.
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#145- Teacher rotation or a couple teachers + tutors rotating to help as more of a team effort, could be larger classes to offset costs but it would help take pressure off the sole teacher. Students can be involved in teaching as well, teaching you learn the most from. Finland uses this in their leading education system [1][2].
- Separate teaching from grading, have grading be a teacher/tutor committee where teachers are only part of it, so when parents complain there is more information and it also eliminates errors, is more fair and teachers can't just dislike some kids.
- Allow superstar teachers to be virtually/online accessible to students and teachers for teaching certain curriculum with the class and teachers as helpers to go over it.
Basically a team based approach to teaching and more access to winning learning strategies and teachers/methods, especially with so much information online available.
We also need more project based teaching (individual and team) and curriculum like Finland [1] which will help in many ways, they also do more open plan learning i.e. not in one classroom [2].
A big problem is the legacy/current model we use with one teacher, bunch of students, one room, curriculum that is memory based but not even good memory learning like spaced repetition and very little interesting subjects while students/teachers have to get up too early and are on too much of a schedule while learning/teaching.
Finland has it right, and more like the real world, project based, with more time to be free and explore what you are learning in concrete project examples with teams of people/teachers/tutors to help you learn it.
[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39889523
[2] https://www.bbc.com/news/av/education-45727843/finland-s-sch...
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#146https://outline.com/ZuA8TG
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Yep. Currently a teacher myself, and I'm seriously considering quitting after this year. I enjoy teaching, but there's just so much BS crap that I have to deal with. Parents here (rural area in a Southern state) have no desire for education and often think their kids shouldn't have to do anything to pass. So I constantly get emails from Little Johnny's mother about his math grade when Little Johnny literally hasn't p…
> And then there's education classes. They're all jokes, and the "research" is so BSed it's not even funny. I knew someone who was taking these classes, they said the same thing. One time I saw a great takedown of education studies, but I could never find it again. Do you have any examples of or links describing the phenomenon how atrociously bad the education of educators is?
[0] http://eitaneldar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Ten-Faulty-...
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#148There's much more to this story. My mother, a high school calculus teacher for the last 22 years is so ready to retire. I didn't think my mom would ever retire, she spends countless hours coming up with unique lesson plans for the kids - they usually involve games, real world use cases and many ah-ha moments. She lives for those moments when a kid lights up when they understand the value of what their learning. Now t…
That complaint doesn't make any sense. I can understand teachers complaining about kids disturbing their lessons, are unruly and threaten them with violence and so on. I can not understand teachers complaining about kids being extra ambitious and doing what they can to get the highest grades! I'll get downvoted for this, but if your moms worst problem is overachievers and parents caring about their children's educati…
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No way. Teaching is really, really important for society. And we've made it low-status, because we are morons. If it were higher-status, you'd see fewer people being 'bored' and seeing the 'excitement' elsewhere. The fact that we've screwed this up should not be celebrated.
In Germany, being a teacher is the best job you can have.
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#150tl;dr: Education rant. If you don't like rants don't read this comment. 7 hour a day have no motivation other than preparing kids for 9 to 5 jobs and depriving kids of their valuable time and potential. Software used in education has a lot of room for improvement. A 1 man operation like 3Blue1Brown has done more for education than man-centuries of work in education software. Kids spend years learning inefficient arit…