Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as Board Directors

Post by throwaway765456 » Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 4:11 PM UTC

tsomctl wrote: post #5

"As you know people, as you learn about things, you realize that these generalizations we have are, virtually to a generalization, false. Well, except for this one, as it turns out. What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle. And I gotta say, as someone who has seen that complexity for my entire life, it's ve…

Post by mbesto » Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 4:13 PM UTC

tsomctl wrote: post #11

gtirloni wrote: post #7

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Yes, Oracle is bad. No, I don't love or even like them. But quoting Bryan's dramatic speeches every time Oracle or Ellison are mentioned is adding next to nothing to the discussion at this point. It's a great way to incite anger though.

My point is that this doesn't bode well for Tesla. My biggest complaint with Tesla is that they don't provide service manuals or have an open parts department for their vehicles. For comparison, pretty much every other major auto maker will sell you a book telling you how to fix anything on your vehicle, and will sell you the parts and special tools to do so. Not Tesla, and given what we know about Ellison, I very mu…

Post by davebryand » Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 4:15 PM UTC

AlexB138 wrote: post #73

davebryand wrote: post #62

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Nothing different in this context, I mean it in the universal sense: https://www.google.com/search?q=awakened+consciousness&oq=aw... Could also look at it as Spiral Dynamics Turquoise: https://www.google.com/search?q=spiral+dynamics+turquoise&so...

Sorry, I guess I shouldn't have said "in this context", I'm not familiar with the term at all. I was trying to differentiate from just the literal "awake" and "conscious", as in not asleep. I assumed it was some religious term. The search results seem to indicate it's some vague mysticism not specific to any particular belief structure? Not an area I'm familiar with. Thanks for the info!

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 4:16 PM UTC

geofft wrote: post #59

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #15

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Right now, there's a whole bunch of businesses and governments that are trapped on oracle. That's because they were the only game 20 years ago. And inertia and lockin is the game. Where I work uses Oracle. And every dev and sysad wants away from it. And the answer every time is "we can't support forking our DB backend cause were too tied to oracle and its bugs". And the prices go up and up. And everyone on it is effe…

Is there a standard capitalist solution to lock-in? (Or is it too new of a problem to have been researched?) This seems like a fatal flaw if your goal is even merely free markets and vibrant competition, not even improving society. Perhaps one option is to remove government protection from trade secrets and intellectual property. Were it not for the threat of government interference, a competitor could easily arrange…

Post by ryanmarsh » Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 4:16 PM UTC

porpoisely wrote: post #47

dforrestwilson wrote: post #8

The same guy who encouraged Elizabeth Holmes to ignore her engineers in favor of over the top promotion. Also a board member who failed (or chose not) to detect the underlying fraud... Every time I consider closing out my Tesla short position something like this happens and I get more confident that something is awry.

I'm no fan of Ellison or Oracle. But a guy worth $60 billion with decades long ties and influence in media and government investing in TSLA and serving on its board is not something that should make shorts happy.