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Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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AFAIK, it's still the case that I can't block everything but numbers in my contacts, right? That's all I'm asking, and it can't be that hard. Add that simple feature that should have been there ten years ago and the problem is solved for me.

Buy a silent ringtone and set it as your default. Then assign a ringtone to the contacts you want to come through. Now all calls are silent except those you specify.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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The problem with both those suggestions is that it's trivial to fake the "from" phone number, as evidenced by the number of spam calls that share my area code and exchange numbers. (Last time I setup asterisk with a T1, this was also trivial, but that was like a decade and a half back. I couldn't tell you how to fake your number today.. it's just clear that it's easy for the scammers to do.) The first problem we need…

It's easy to fake the "caller-ID" field, but this doesn't fake the ANI: If it did, you could call 1-900 numbers and bill the White House. You're right about there being a lot of little legacy problems though; The issue I see is that the carriers aren't on the hook for it: They've made it so cheap to call someone these scammers simply need to find people whose time is worth less than mine.

Hm, thanks. looks like you are right.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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I think there is less intelligence in the system than that. I get a lot of robocalls in Spanish, a language I do not know. (and other than living in California, there's not a lot about me that would suggest I know Spanish?) I mean, it is a small portion of my robocalls, but it's still several a week, when I answer unknown numbers. But, I get a lot of robocalls; 3 calls a day is light. So clearly, some people get more…

that, or the source data is not very good. maybe you got a phone number used by a person of spanish origin before.

that's sort of what I was getting at? I mean, I think that we have the same problem we have with spam; it's so cheap to send it that it doesn't really matter that only a tiny fraction of those who receive the spam might actually be credible targets; but it's so cheap that it doesn't really matter.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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How about people in your contact list get to call and text you for free and everyone else has to pay 10 cents? Telecoms definitely have the tech to do such billing. They could even take a cut. 9 cents for me and 1 cent for the telecom. This would solve almost all spam immediately and would be a long term solution.

Your post advocates a ( ) technical ( ) legislative (x) market-based ( ) vigilante approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.) ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses ( ) Mailing lists and other le…

Yea, yea. Funny.

Telephone spam was very rare when long distance calls cost $1 a minute. No reason that could not be enforced as an option by the phone owner. It is really too bad that phone communication is being wrecked by spam like email was/is, so much so that you think the email analogy to phone calls is a valid/witty one.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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How do you handle number portability?

We figured out how to move domains from provider to another while still maintaining SPF. I'm sure we can figure out something similar for this.

Ah, the classic “I’m sure somebody will figure out how to fix my flawed proposal”. That’s how messed like this come to be.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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In The Netherlands we have a "no-call register" for companies ( https://business.gov.nl/regulation/telesales/#article-do-not... ) I never get robocalls. It's nice to live in a country that believes in smart regulation!

Yep. And live in UK and have never received a single spam call. I don't understand why it's such a large problem in US.

You’re just lucky. I was too. Then my number got on some spam list and now I’m receiving a few calls a month (which is still something many Americans would consider great, I’m sure) - from random locations all over Europe. The spammer is effectively unreachable by local regulations.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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It’s not clear to me why Apple can’t have a Mark as Spam button for calls. Once you hit a critical mass from independent iPhones you simply block that number.

They’re spoofing the numbers so that would likely cause apple to blacklist numbers belonging to innocent people.

A lot of them aren’t.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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post #291
post #9

AFAIK, it's still the case that I can't block everything but numbers in my contacts, right? That's all I'm asking, and it can't be that hard. Add that simple feature that should have been there ten years ago and the problem is solved for me.

Buy a silent ringtone and set it as your default. Then assign a ringtone to the contacts you want to come through. Now all calls are silent except those you specify.

only an apple use can come up with idea about buying "silent". :D

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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Mind saying a bit more about making this switch? I use Hiya now and am open to something better. You seem happy with the move?

I'd used Nomorobo since inception but found more calls getting through, mostly neighbor scams. Went looking for a new call blocker and they are all similar. Hiya had built in support for neighbor scam which was a huge percentage of my inbound spam. It's worked as well as Nomorobo plus it blocks neighbor spam, so I'm ahead at the moment.

Thanks!

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Why hasn't there been a class action against carriers for failing to do anything about this problem?

Which law or contact term have the carriers broken?

Not sure. But they provide a service called Caller ID that purports to identity callers but can be trivially spoofed by people scamming their customers. Moreover, caller ID used to actually work (IE couldn't be trivially spoofed), so customers might have a reasonable expectation that it still does work. It's the telco's responsibility to present accurate caller information to customers.
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