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One year into legal pot sales California doesn’t have expected bustling industry

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Re: One year into legal pot sales California doesn’t have expected bustling industry

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The farming side is even funnier. The old-line potheads who are used to hiding, high margins, and inefficient farming are being pushed out by Central Valley farmers who look at it as just another cash crop.

Fact. What used to be junkyards and chop shops in South Phoenix [AZ] is now filled with state-of-the-art indoor horticultural installations producing this stuff at an industrial scale.

Re: One year into legal pot sales California doesn’t have expected bustling industry

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"There is nothing that stops the federal US government from throwing someone in jail for growing / transporting / using / processing payment for marijuana." I always wondered about that. Has there been any chatter about someone trying to get a federal court to nullify the law? I have no idea how that can work.

> Has there been any chatter about someone trying to get a federal court to nullify the law? I have no idea how that can work. The US has signed up to a treaty that requires us to treat marijuana as an illegal controlled substance. That requires an explicit act of Congress to abrogate, and no court is going to find otherwise.

Which treaty is that?

Re: One year into legal pot sales California doesn’t have expected bustling industry

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It all comes down to local control of licensing. To even operate a 100% mobile business, you have to be licensed out of a specific city. This involves all the associated cronyism, NIMBYism, and the like which goes along with local politics, and grinds the whole system to a halt. We need to adopt a statewide system like Oregon or there will be no room for smaller distributors left and we will be stuck with monopolized…

The town I live in in the bay area (south) pre-emptively passed an ordinance re-banning pot before it was even made legal. They didn't take a vote, they just did it.

Re: One year into legal pot sales California doesn’t have expected bustling industry

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One of the most hilariously stupid arguments against legalisation of drugs is that it makes everyone into a junkie. Fact is most people don't do drugs, even if you can buy it in the supermarket.

I suppose you’re excluding alcohol from that pronouncement?

Re: One year into legal pot sales California doesn’t have expected bustling industry

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Maybe this article overstated things and someone will clear it up in the comments but that was painful to read. I live in Vancouver and weed's been officially legal throughout the Canada for several weeks now. It's still relatively new but nothing noticeable has changed aside from fewer people discussing such a frivilous and previously mishandled issue. It's not perfect but far, far, far better than strict prohibitio…

Almost all the storefronts have closed in Vancouver since "legalization", that's the big change I noticed.

Its because they were unlicensed and could be fined up to millions of dollars for unlicensed operations (although not arrested). Licenses are being handed out now though.

https://www.straight.com/cannabis/1180771/evergreen-obtains-...

Re: One year into legal pot sales California doesn’t have expected bustling industry

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The government of California is extremely inefficient, no surprises. Glad I left CA I'm in Colorado now (I'm from NY originally) CO did it right, but like someone said above - CO Springs was against it (pretty conservative, military area)and are now suffering the consequences of not doing so, worse roads, worse everything... And hey, I'm pretty conservative myself and I live in Boulder. Boulder is wrong about other t…

I hate to break it to you, but Colorado Springs has been worse in most ways, roads and otherwise, long before recreational/medical weed was legalized. They've had issues with crime and meth, for a very long time as well.

From what I understand, Colorado Springs has tried to make an industry out of churches. Unfortunately for the town, churches don't pay taxes for things like roads.

Re: One year into legal pot sales California doesn’t have expected bustling industry

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Yeah ultimately you're being stripped of your state given rights by a locality run by cronies where it takes millions jus to win a seat on the local board of supervisors. Even though we do have ballot initiatives, a non-democratic, corrupt local process can ultimately strip you basically of all your rights. This also impacts criminalizing poverty by local governments where basically being low income and being there i…

The City of San Diego is the second largest city in California and the eight largest in the United States. For the latest election cycle the City Council fundraising was in the low $100,000 — hardly “millions.” I think the total across all races in the entire county (school boards, ballot measures, multiple city councils, water districts, everything) was about $33 million for all candidates. SD County is so big that…

So at less than an programmer salary, what you're saying is that there's ample opportunity for enterprising software artists to take over and automate the whole thing.

Re: One year into legal pot sales California doesn’t have expected bustling industry

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First off, marijuana is a flower, not an herb. Second off, much work goes into developing and stabilising a strain. Thirdly, high quality MJ is grown indoors, with artificial lighting. Fourthly, it requires a curing process.

To clarify a few hort points : flowers are part of the herb and are treated / sold as herbs in the herb trade. A few common examples : Chamomile, Calendula, rose [R. gallica] Generally, all herbs require curing [e.g., fan-driven air drying at a specific temperature] if not sold fresh; in addition, the work of developing a cultivar or strain is similar for a great many trade herbs that are farmed as opposed to gathere…

The canonical “most expensive” spice by weight is saffron, which seems to retail at between $30 and $300 an ounce depending on quality.

FWIW saffron is the dried stigma of the saffron crocus crocus sativa so only a small part of the flower

Re: One year into legal pot sales California doesn’t have expected bustling industry

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I'm personally fine with local control, and despite the negative tone of this article, it all sounds pretty normal to me. I live in SF, where there are a variety of shops. The ones I walk by all seem clean, orderly, and well run. Certainly more so than some liquor stores I can think of. So I'm happy to have them as neighbors. That said, I understand why other cities would have been more reluctant to license. Not ever…

[IANAL] if my city and all the others around prohibit such stores it is de-facto equivalent to Prohibition in that area while the state level amendment granted that right to all the people in the state, and no local government has the power to exclude it own particular local area from the amendment. The same principle as with for example right to vote with no voting place in N (for sufficiently large N) miles radius.

That is definitely not how the law works. There are still plenty of dry counties in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dry_communities_by_U.S...

Re: One year into legal pot sales California doesn’t have expected bustling industry

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> Retailers and growers say they’ve been stunted by complex regulations, high taxes I can't say I'm surprised. As someone who grew up on the Oregon border of California on i5, locals here complain about California's influence on the local economy and politics. (E.g. buying expensive land, driving taxes up) However in Oregon, I believe our problem is with oversaturation of the market. From what I understand (not rehea…

> it's not unheard of for places to sell quality marijuana for as low as $48/ounce, which is very cheap When I look at other dried herbs on amazon, they're much cheaper. E.g. thyme is about $10 for 12 ounces, oregano is $13 for 5 ounces. Weed obviously has higher taxes, more regulation and I presume a smaller market (most people consume culinary herbs as part of their diet, not everybody consumes weed). But I'd expec…

> and I presume a smaller market (most people consume culinary herbs as part of their diet, not everybody consumes weed)

On the contrary, I know plenty of people who consume large amounts of concentrates and don't use much herbs and seasonings with their food. I suppose unless we're counting third party foods, in which case you might be right.

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