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Ask HN: What should I do when I'm bored with my career?

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Re: Ask HN: What should I do when I'm bored with my career?

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Based on my knowledge of the market for freelance software gigs, I think you are grossly overestimating the difficulty of finding good work. "Extreme luck" is not necessary, nor is "extremely good networking". 30-40% is also probably a bit of a stretch for the recruiter's take (former recruiter here). Those numbers and higher are certainly possible, but 20% is a bit more likely. Also, if you are getting a competitive…

Also, if you are getting a competitive rate for your work, it really doesn't matter what the recruiter is taking, does it? If they are able to negotiate a huge finder's fee on top of your competitive rate, that's their skill being rewarded. Hold on - I'm not talking about "finder's fee," I'm talking about agencies that seek consultants (W2 or C2C) that take a cut of 30-50% or more in perpetuity. For example, a job ad…

I understand, but is in essence a 'finder's fee' that just works in perpetuity.

When I was a recruiter, if I placed a candidate for a FTE role and get say 20% fee (based on starting salary), I got that same fee whether someone remains in the job for 90 days or 90 years. I don't get additional money for each year they stay. That makes sense, because I'm not really responsible at all for that hire once it's made.

For consultants, recruiters may play some role in maintaining the relationship between the hiring client and the consultant. Not all recruiters do this, but many stay in contact with the consultant (to protect their investment) and with the client (to maintain that relationship, place more consultants, and ensure the client is satisfied with the work).

I'm not trying to defend predatory practices by recruiters, but if a recruiter is able to negotiate a large mark-up for their consultant, that's a skill that they should be rewarded for financially.

To view it another way, if I get a client to pay $130/hr for an open role, and I identify a qualified consultant willing to take that job for $70/hr, that's a combination of A) my skill as a recruiter, and B) the consultant's inability to recognize their own market value or inability to negotiate a higher hourly rate.

I don't think gouging is good for the industry overall, but if the consultant is happy at $70/hr and the client is also happy at $130/hr, what's "wrong" with the recruiter taking that $60/hr?

Everybody is happy, no? At least everybody is happy when there is no transparency as to where that $130 is going.

FYI, I'm playing devil's advocate here. During my career I did very little consulting work and my margins were usually closer to 15-20% of hourly rate, though I once worked for someone who had a 400% mark-up on a consultant for almost 3 years (consultant was paid ~$50/hr and bill rate was over $200).

Re: Ask HN: What should I do when I'm bored with my career?

#92
I have chosen to steer my career in a “suboptimal” way: I have changed from field to field (literally having been a software developer, pharmaceutical chemist, machinist...).

I have pals who’ve stuck to being a lawyer, banker, programmer, etc and they are also happy, but that would not have worked for me. Over the decades they have risen higher in their fields, and almost certainly earn more salary than I, but I am happy, looking backwards, regardless.

So it’s possible you don’t need a “career” if you can be happy regardless.

I don’t know about art school but a humanities education can be more powerful than an engineering education in some domains — both teach you a mode of thinking in addition to a domain specific skill set.

As it happens I always put “programmer” on visa forms and the like as that is how I think of myself.

Re: Ask HN: What should I do when I'm bored with my career?

#93

You may want to change your attitude toward work. There's a reason it's called "work" and not playtime. There's a reason they pay you to do it. I like to think about the guy stuck in a shit town, working in a coal mine. Maybe they all drink themselves to oblivion and I'm delusional, but I envision at least some of them this way: Guy goes down there and busts his ass all day in the dark, getting dirty as fuck, probabl…

Horrible advice. If everybody thought like this then we would still be living in caves.

Re: Ask HN: What should I do when I'm bored with my career?

#95
post #59

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In your opinion, does mindfulness meditation help in regards to developing attention sufficiently to alleviate the problems mentioned by OP?

Meditation isn't meant to do anything for anyone, this is a very Western idea. It's play. I think reading on the topic would be more helpful

Any reading suggestions? I've only begun looking into it, with The Buddha Pill being a more skeptical book on my list

Re: Ask HN: What should I do when I'm bored with my career?

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You may want to change your attitude toward work. There's a reason it's called "work" and not playtime. There's a reason they pay you to do it. I like to think about the guy stuck in a shit town, working in a coal mine. Maybe they all drink themselves to oblivion and I'm delusional, but I envision at least some of them this way: Guy goes down there and busts his ass all day in the dark, getting dirty as fuck, probabl…

Why? Why should life be that way? What’s the point of doing unfulfilling things that make you die sooner?

> Why should life be that way?

The point is that life is that way, not the way we would like it to be.

> What’s the point of doing unfulfilling things that make you die sooner?

The point is that (almost?) all jobs are like that.

Airline pilot? Yeah, you fly, and that's cool. Get to see the world? Also cool. Get to travel the world and not see it because you have to fly back out? Less cool. Being chronically sleep-deprived? Not good for your health. Waking up when the alarm goes off in some random hotel room, and not knowing what city you're in? Not so glamorous.

Even computer work is bad for your health. Sitting around being sedentary, for years? Not good. That's without carpal tunnel, but that can come from the work too.

Now, neither of those are as unfulfilling or as dangerous as working in a coal mine. But all work is unfulfilling, at least some of the time. If you don't understand that, you're going to be unhappy no matter what you do.

That said, some jobs are a whole lot more fulfilling than others. More: Some jobs are a lot more fulfilling for you than others. It makes perfect sense to try to figure out what kind of work you would find more fulfilling, and how to get a job doing it. But if you expect it to be fulfilling always and never unfulfilling, it will disappoint you.

In fact, I'd say that you need to find your real fulfillment somewhere else. That way, you can come to work without expecting it to fully fulfill you. You then won't try to squeeze out of your job what it can never give you, and then reject it because it couldn't give you what you wanted.

Re: Ask HN: What should I do when I'm bored with my career?

#97
post #14

I do career consulting (and resume writing) mostly for clients from tech. I think some arrangement where you had multiple forms of income (or potential income) might be a good solution for you. What might that look like? - Freelance software development - This would give you some control over what types of projects you work on, and you could focus on areas that really interest you. Maybe it would be projects that ena…

Can you share some info about ‘career consulting’? How does one go about finding a career consultant? Do you work for clients direct? What are the deliverables? Meetings by the hour?

Re: Ask HN: What should I do when I'm bored with my career?

#98
There is a big push to pursue your passion, which could become a trap.

Mike Rowe has a different angle: "Don't Pursue Your Passion. Chase Opportunity."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NT1i26RbrhM

Not sure I fully agree, but I appreciate the different perspective

Re: Ask HN: What should I do when I'm bored with my career?

#99
post #85

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Is Chiangmai in particular especially desirable? I would hesitate moving to a “3rd world” (I know not all developing countries are the same) long-term as I got the impression once you start caring about schools/healthcare (serious stuff, not getting some routine dental work) they become a lot less attractive.

I assumed he's single. Asia in particular is lot of fun.

Quite interesting to see (single) Westerners moving to Asia to find happiness, all the while here I'm born in India but had moved to the West to find independence and opportunities. Right now I'm looking towards achieving a balance: get dual passport and live 1/4th of the year in India and the rest in Canada (including other countries).

Works well for me as I prefer, and am happy, to be single.

Re: Ask HN: What should I do when I'm bored with my career?

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post #22

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Not sure if trolling. But unless you elaborate, very few people are going to read this and comprehend what you are on about

He asked a question, I gave my best answer. Whether it will work for him or anybody is not in my control. If you have any specific questions - ask.

I was into Vipassana meditation.

I warn anyone getting into meditation. It leads to dissociation (an extreme form of everyday withdrawal from emotions) which creates the illusion that one is "happy" or "not bored".

PM me if you'd like discuss more but can't be bothered to do it publicly for fear of opprobrium from other meditators. :-P

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