Japan to withdraw from the International Whaling Commission

Post by TomMarius » Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 4:16 PM UTC

matthewmacleod wrote: post #62

maxxxxx wrote: post #38

I don't even eat meat but I find it difficult to be angry about this when at the same time at home we have millions (billions?) of farm animals live in absolutely terrible conditions. Reminds me a little of the outrage in CA about horse meat. There are plenty of people who think eating horse meat is morally wrong while at the same time they eat some salad with bacon on top. Why is a horse better than a pig? Certainly…

Reminds me a little of the outrage in CA about horse meat. There are plenty of people who think eating horse meat is morally wrong while at the same time they eat some salad with bacon on top There was of course an extensive horse meat scandal in the UK as well, but I didn’t encounter anybody at that time describing the consumption of horse meat as “morally wrong”. Mislabelling of products, fraud, and food safety - t…

Post by curious_fella2 » Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 4:17 PM UTC

titanix2 wrote: post #75

temeritatis wrote: post #6

People often defend these kind of acts with the rationale that it is a culture heritage. If so, shouldn't they be sailing the ocean with traditional wooden sailboats and relying only on wind and currents to take them where they should go?

Your argument doesn’t make more sense that saying we should farm crops like centuries before. The cultural part is about eating whale meat, not how to got it.

Post by GolDDranks » Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 4:19 PM UTC

TomMarius wrote: post #87

coldtea wrote: post #68

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> The "tradition" argument is interesting: We'll keep on doing this, because we've been doing it for a while, so let's not consider whether it's appropriate. No, it's more like: "We do this for a long time, and we consider this part of who we are, and we like it, and want to keep doing it. We're not idiots to just do it because we did it in the past, and in fact, we have opted to drop tons of things that we did in th…

So why even argue that? Why not just say "I like whale meat"? I hate this "it's a tradition" bullshit. Just say it, stop hiding behind traditions.

Post by y4mi » Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 4:20 PM UTC

mr_overalls wrote: post #77

coldtea wrote: post #64

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No, because they are free to mix and match from their cultural heritage, and keep some parts while developing others (and adding new stuff to it). When we're talking about "cultural heritage", we mean respecting their choices regarding their cultural heritage (including abandoning parts of it). Not that they should absolutely stick to older practices on every aspect of life.

A few hundred years ago, men in many countries were allowed to beat their wives and children with few restrictions. Need I also mention that slavery and child labor were legal? Historical legacy is absolutely no rationale for continuing to cause needless suffering in intelligent beings.

Post by GolDDranks » Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 4:22 PM UTC

GolDDranks wrote: post #95

TomMarius wrote: post #87

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So why even argue that? Why not just say "I like whale meat"? I hate this "it's a tradition" bullshit. Just say it, stop hiding behind traditions.

Because it _is_ a tradition. They don't actually eat a whole lot of whale meat like they used to do. There's more supply for whale meat than there is demand. The reason the whaling industry still exists is because it receives government support for being a "protected tradition".