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Researchers are keeping pig brains alive outside the body

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Re: Researchers are keeping pig brains alive outside the body

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Experiments like these were done even decades back. Every time, there is some temporary indignation/outrage from some limited quarters and then the news dies down while such experiments continue behind closed doors. Only the much derided "animals rights" group keep up sustained focus but they're effectively isolated and ignored. Perhaps society will do well to keep in mind that what we do to animals we will eventuall…

A culture where no mistakes are tolerated results in a culture where no growth is allowed.

> A culture where no mistakes are tolerated results in a culture where no growth is allowed.

I don't think the parent is likening this to a "mistake," but rather a moral and ethical transgression. There's a big difference between the two.

Re: Researchers are keeping pig brains alive outside the body

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>> Give me, or my family enough money, and I’d be happen to be a brain in a bucket for a fixed period of time. Who knows what could happen. Maybe I’d be dead, maybe I’ll be in a waking dream, or maybe nothing at all. We don’t know. That's an interesting perspective. Someone, extremely aware of what he's doing, taking one for the team--while being rewarded. Maybe the family will enjoy the $$ but at least you leave a l…

Just keep on piling ever more of the spoils of 'progress' on the 0,1%, while keeping the rest in a dog eat dog 'job hunt' struggle for survival, and you will have no shortage of 'volunteers'.

I totally get the '0.1%' thought here, the idea being that the majority of this scientific progress will only benefit those how can afford it.

Personally, I'd be hoping for more universal advancement. I hope society gets to the point where scientific advancements benefit all people, not just the minority that can afford such advancements.

Re: Researchers are keeping pig brains alive outside the body

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Spoiler warning: I didn’t read the article (can’t access now due to vpn not working) So from reading others comments and such: yeah, I understand the idea that the pigs could be comatose and not experiencing anything. From the science behind brains as we know it, that seems to be the case. Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with this because, in the end, it will benefit humans. And we are more important than pigs…

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Others have already touched upon a few other points in your argument, but quite frankly, intelligence is not a good metric.

And neither is a creature's ability to measure morality.

Do we know how a pig measures morals? Do we know how to measure a pig's awareness? To an extent, we can measure a pig's intelligence, but is it simply 'doing what is repeated over and over' or is there actual understanding of the why behind an action?

Quite frankly, we don't know. We're not even close to understanding how to measure such things.

Because, right now, humans only really understand humans and how the human brain works. We can measure morality, intelligence, and awareness in humans, to a point. And yet...Shit, the brain is one of the least understood parts in humans still.

And we have very, very limited understanding of how animals "see" awareness, consciousness, intelligence, and moral ambiguity.

That isn't even why we need to do more brain research on animals.

Humans need to survive. That's our base-code. Survive. And quite frankly, humanity is on the verge of our own mass-extinction. Maybe brain research wont save us in the end, but it might help us find ways to continue living as a species when the Earth is a ball of dust.

And even then, the potential to understand ourselves, and animals, even more has amazing possibilities. Yes, five hundred years from now, we might look back and think, 'Damn, they did that to an animal?!'

But we would also understand why we had to do it, just like how we understand why people a hundred years ago experimented on animals and humans to develop our scientific knowledge to where it is today.

Re: Researchers are keeping pig brains alive outside the body

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For me, I drew the line at human and non human. I'm okay to do anything to non human.

Isn't that kind of arbitrary? What if I said "for me, I drew the line at white people and non white people. I'm okay to do anything to non white"

It is preference and yes your line might be different too.

Re: Researchers are keeping pig brains alive outside the body

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I’m curious. What is your basis for determining that it is okay to do this to pigs? Could we also do this to dogs? Dolphins? Elephants? Monkeys?

For me, I drew the line at human and non human. I'm okay to do anything to non human.

So you would be OK with me killing black people then, just preference

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For me, I drew the line at human and non human. I'm okay to do anything to non human.

So you would be OK with me killing black people then, just preference

I'm not but I am pretty sure there is someone who is Ok with that. Besides in my previous response I'm just specifically concerned with human vs non human. I'm not saying anything regarding human X vs human Y.

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So you would be OK with me killing black people then, just preference

I'm not but I am pretty sure there is someone who is Ok with that. Besides in my previous response I'm just specifically concerned with human vs non human. I'm not saying anything regarding human X vs human Y.

Sure there is, but in your view we couldn't say that those people are evil, because in the end it's just preference of where to draw the line, correct? Nazis chose to draw a line excluding jews, and that was their preference

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I'm not but I am pretty sure there is someone who is Ok with that. Besides in my previous response I'm just specifically concerned with human vs non human. I'm not saying anything regarding human X vs human Y.

Sure there is, but in your view we couldn't say that those people are evil, because in the end it's just preference of where to draw the line, correct? Nazis chose to draw a line excluding jews, and that was their preference

Evil or not is relative. You can say nazis is evil but to the nazis they might not think its evil. To me evil or not is irrelevant. If you dont like Nazi action, then you have to force them to stop regardless.

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So you would be OK with me killing black people then, just preference

I'm not but I am pretty sure there is someone who is Ok with that. Besides in my previous response I'm just specifically concerned with human vs non human. I'm not saying anything regarding human X vs human Y.

I understand that, I'm pointing out that your drawing a line separating human vs non human is just as arbitrary as drawing a line separating white vs non white

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I'm not but I am pretty sure there is someone who is Ok with that. Besides in my previous response I'm just specifically concerned with human vs non human. I'm not saying anything regarding human X vs human Y.

I understand that, I'm pointing out that your drawing a line separating human vs non human is just as arbitrary as drawing a line separating white vs non white

Yes, its my personal preference. Of course it's might be different for every situation.
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