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Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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Unfortunately, they can just call you from one of your contacts... it's not like a zillion apps haven't already grabbed that information (from one source or another). Alternately, your name (reverse lookup) and your parents names and phone numbers are easily found.

The amount of scam callers able to do this is approximately zero.

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Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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In The Netherlands we have a "no-call register" for companies ( https://business.gov.nl/regulation/telesales/#article-do-not... ) I never get robocalls. It's nice to live in a country that believes in smart regulation!

Same, never hade any problems where I live. Not all problems are technological.

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There already is a proposed technological solution to this: https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/stir-and-shaken-overview/ The FCC has recently "demanded" US telecoms to implement this [0], but at this point I don't believe there is actually a regulatory requirement to do so. [0] https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-354933A1.pdf

I prefer an economic solution. Currently, you can sue a robocaller under the TCPA, but good luck collecting. Make each carrier liable for judgments against robocallers routed through their network. So, if I sue John Doe for robocalling me and I can’t collect, and I’m a Verizon customer, the make Verizon liable for those damages. This should come with some limits, but they should be large (say 10% of nationwide annual…

There probably is a market for MVNO that requires to solve voice captcha before being able to reach callee.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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In The Netherlands we have a "no-call register" for companies ( https://business.gov.nl/regulation/telesales/#article-do-not... ) I never get robocalls. It's nice to live in a country that believes in smart regulation!

We have the same system in the US (the Do Not Call registry) but it’s ineffective because Caller ID can easily be spoofed and these organizations are out of US jurisdiction. Seems more of a technical limitation than a policy one.

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In The Netherlands we have a "no-call register" for companies ( https://business.gov.nl/regulation/telesales/#article-do-not... ) I never get robocalls. It's nice to live in a country that believes in smart regulation!

The downside of this is that it won't prevent companies from collecting your data; it just prevents them from calling you.

I've always found registering in a database to object to database registrations that I didn't consent to a rather curious concept. If they call me, then at least I know who's brokering my data? I resisted signing up for the no-call register for a long time.

For example, this is how I know that TNT/PostNL has sold my data to the post code lottery after I used their post forwarding service (you pay for the service, but they will still sell your data; at least, they did back in ~2011).

I once had an extended fight with a charity (hartstichting) where they gave me all sorts of abuse after I insisted they tell me where they got my phone number from. They were offended that I could possibly object to a charity collecting my personal data from mysterious sources (I never found out where they got it from, I gave up pursuing after a while).

Eventually I caved it as I grew exasperated and signed up. Now I live abroad and miss stuff like this :-( I got far too many calls when I lived in the UK (including one at 9am on Sunday; I was not especially kind to this person), and in New Zealand they will cram my post box so full of junk mail in just 2-3 days that I can no longer receive any mail :-(

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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In The Netherlands we have a "no-call register" for companies ( https://business.gov.nl/regulation/telesales/#article-do-not... ) I never get robocalls. It's nice to live in a country that believes in smart regulation!

In my country we have the same but the registry asks for ID and a lot of personal information. I'd rather not give so much to the government.

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In The Netherlands we have a "no-call register" for companies ( https://business.gov.nl/regulation/telesales/#article-do-not... ) I never get robocalls. It's nice to live in a country that believes in smart regulation!

The downside of this is that it won't prevent companies from collecting your data; it just prevents them from calling you. I've always found registering in a database to object to database registrations that I didn't consent to a rather curious concept. If they call me, then at least I know who's brokering my data? I resisted signing up for the no-call register for a long time. For example, this is how I know that TN…

There is GDPR now in Europe, this should fix that :) - if you live in the EU of course.

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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In The Netherlands we have a "no-call register" for companies ( https://business.gov.nl/regulation/telesales/#article-do-not... ) I never get robocalls. It's nice to live in a country that believes in smart regulation!

In belgium there is something similar: https://www.dncm.be/nl/

"do not call me" or previous: "bel me niet lijst" and when someone violates the list. You can submit it here: https://meldpunt.belgie.be/meldpunt/

Re: Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

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In The Netherlands we have a "no-call register" for companies ( https://business.gov.nl/regulation/telesales/#article-do-not... ) I never get robocalls. It's nice to live in a country that believes in smart regulation!

In my country we have the same but the registry asks for ID and a lot of personal information. I'd rather not give so much to the government.

...the government hands out the ID, so they already have that information. What personal information are they asking about though?
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