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The Link Between Inflammation and Depression?

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Re: The Link Between Inflammation and Depression?

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Post by cageface »

sridca wrote: post #74
cageface wrote: post #32

One of the best things I've ever done for my mood is to switch to a plant based diet full of natural anti inflammatory foods. I noticed a big lift in my mood after the first week and it's stuck with me almost two years later. Check this video for more details: https://youtu.be/4xbNNxQZEgA

Devil's Advocate (also personal experience): http://meatheals.com

Carnivore diets can help people with damaged guts. But you’re much better off fixing your gut than adopting a diet that is longer term going to cause a lot of other serious problems.

Re: The Link Between Inflammation and Depression?

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Post by sridca »

cageface wrote: post #81
sridca wrote: post #74

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Devil's Advocate (also personal experience): http://meatheals.com

Carnivore diets can help people with damaged guts. But you’re much better off fixing your gut than adopting a diet that is longer term going to cause a lot of other serious problems.

Fixing the gut is impossible in certain cases. And carnivore diet has be shown to cause no long-term problems in subjects before.

Re: The Link Between Inflammation and Depression?

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Post by jm__87 »

jesssse wrote: post #56
cageface wrote: post #53

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There is a huge difference between complex carbohydrates bound up in natural fiber and refined starches and sugars. The former are the foundation of the healthiest diets around the planet. The latter are unhealthy. The current anti carb hysteria fails to make a distinction between the two. I think you'll find you can eat plenty of carbs if you stick to whole grain, unprocessed carbs and also avoid oil. I've been on t…

Refined sugar is not inherently unhealthy.

Here is a doctor that disagrees and gives a fairly detailed explanation of why it is unhealthy for you: https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM

Re: The Link Between Inflammation and Depression?

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Post by cageface »

sridca wrote: post #82
cageface wrote: post #81

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Carnivore diets can help people with damaged guts. But you’re much better off fixing your gut than adopting a diet that is longer term going to cause a lot of other serious problems.

Fixing the gut is impossible in certain cases. And carnivore diet has be shown to cause no long-term problems in subjects before.

A strict carnivore diet contains no vitamin C, so you’ll get scurvy if you follow it religiously. And a diet so high in saturated fat and cholesterol will massively increase your risk of heart disease. This is documented in literally hundreds of studies. Annecdotally I have several friends that have dramatically improved their cholesterol levels by cutting out all animal products from their diet.

I think it’s also worth mentioning that the carnivore diet is the absolute worst diet imaginable in terms of the environment and animal welfare. It’s a selfish diet for rich people.

The only populations we know of that eat this way have serious athlerosclerois issues and short life spans or, in the case of the Masai, a rare mutation that makes it easier for them to live on this kind of diet.

Re: The Link Between Inflammation and Depression?

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Post by jesssse »

vntx wrote: post #69
jesssse wrote: post #56

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Refined sugar is not inherently unhealthy.

Could you be more specific? Why do you think it’s not inherently unhealthy. I’ll argue the contrary here. Humans are primates; we evolved to eat an unrefined plant-based diet. Consuming refined sugar is inherently unhealthy because it’s consumption causes insulin spikes and eventually insulin desensitization which leads to diabetes which is a strong predictor of inflammation. The same logic applies to any refined foo…

When I consume refined sugar, I digest it and use it for energy - like any other food. Perhaps some people have intolerance to refined sugar, resulting in the negative outcomes you described.

Re: The Link Between Inflammation and Depression?

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Post by giardini »

natalyarostova wrote: post #71
giardini wrote: post #55

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Always possible, but I've taken taking 200 mg ibuprofen 2X per day for 30 years w/o a problem. I also take an 81 mg aspirin every night. I take turmeric and cinnamon with my coffee in the morning. If I get a bad headache I take two 325-mg aspirin also. I have no stomach problems unless I drink too much Starbucks coffee over a 3-day period.

Why so much ibuprofen?

That's enough for me. The directions on the bottle recommend 1 x 200 mg pill every 4-6 hours. But it is possible to take a lot more: the max is 3200 mg/day. I've never had any stomach problems with ibuprofen or other NSAIDs.

I once cracked a rib and my doctor put me on 800 mg ibuprofen twice a day. _All_ pain went away as my swim times dropped steadily - so much so that it was upsetting the swim team's male hierarchy. Each new day I was recovered and invigorated, much to the irritation of my teammates. This went on for a month until the prescription expired. My swim times rose over the next 3 days as swimming became harder and the usual day-to-day pains returned.

Some people say that NSAIDs will prevent you from improving your ability in athletic events but that was not true for me and ibuprofen.

Re: The Link Between Inflammation and Depression?

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Post by sridca »

cageface wrote: post #84
sridca wrote: post #82

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Fixing the gut is impossible in certain cases. And carnivore diet has be shown to cause no long-term problems in subjects before.

A strict carnivore diet contains no vitamin C, so you’ll get scurvy if you follow it religiously. And a diet so high in saturated fat and cholesterol will massively increase your risk of heart disease. This is documented in literally hundreds of studies. Annecdotally I have several friends that have dramatically improved their cholesterol levels by cutting out all animal products from their diet. I think it’s also wo…

I'd like to hear of even one of those hundreds of studies that shows that a strict carnivore diet (not a hybrid diet) leads to those problems.

I bet you can't because they don't exist.

If so the words you write here are but reflective of your beliefs. Which is not gonna help anyone (I'm certainly glad that I did not come across these words while looking to resolve a chronic medical condition).

Re: The Link Between Inflammation and Depression?

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Post by atomical »

volkl48 wrote: post #37
atomical wrote: post #15

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Genetic tests seem pointless. It's cheaper and faster to take the drug and find out if one is a responder.

The side effects of many of the medications can be quite harsh and severely affect your mental state when they don't agree with you. The most obvious example of such would be the significant number of people who experience suicidal ideation or commit it/make attempts as a result of going on certain medications. But at the less extreme end, you're likely looking at least a month or two, more likely 3 or 4 for each med…

Depression is just as serious as cancer. There is a lot at stake. In some cases ketamine may be a good alternative.

But harsh side effects seem like they would be acceptable if depression is as problematic as you claim.

Re: The Link Between Inflammation and Depression?

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Post by atomical »

denerio-a wrote: post #23
atomical wrote: post #13

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Do none of your friends have severe depression? CBT doesn't work for severe depression without medication in my experience.

That seems a strange reply to a comment that acknowledged medication only really has a real effect in severe cases. Even for a friend who is severely depressed, which medication will work? How long does each one need to be tried for? What is meant by ‘work’ exactly? Meanwhile, the serious side effects aren’t even fully understood, and you’ll be buying them from companies that actively denied and hid such information…

You're taking my comment completely out of context. Please reread.

Re: The Link Between Inflammation and Depression?

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Post by cageface »

sridca wrote: post #87
cageface wrote: post #84

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A strict carnivore diet contains no vitamin C, so you’ll get scurvy if you follow it religiously. And a diet so high in saturated fat and cholesterol will massively increase your risk of heart disease. This is documented in literally hundreds of studies. Annecdotally I have several friends that have dramatically improved their cholesterol levels by cutting out all animal products from their diet. I think it’s also wo…

I'd like to hear of even one of those hundreds of studies that shows that a strict carnivore diet (not a hybrid diet) leads to those problems. I bet you can't because they don't exist. If so the words you write here are but reflective of your beliefs. Which is not gonna help anyone (I'm certainly glad that I did not come across these words while looking to resolve a chronic medical condition).

There are plenty of studies of populations that historically have eaten essentially carnivore diets. The Masai and the Inuit are the two most common. They have all the problems I've enumerated.

If you think about it for even five minutes a diet with zero fiber and zero vitamin C makes no sense.

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