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Why Exaggeration Jokes Work

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Re: Why Exaggeration Jokes Work

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This has been how storytelling has been done for centuries, it’s a a mark of thoughtful feature writing. The Atlantic is over 100 years old and extremely prestigious, it’s resonable to assume that at least from a technical writing standpoint they know what they are doing and do it on purpose. It’s not writing intended for a textbook or academic paper. It’s a story. You’re supposed to read it and get introduced to thi…

As someone who's first language is not English it comes off more as a mark of pedant writing. Some folks might enjoy the "storytelling", but it's really annoying when the author goes in circles and gets nowhere until you've read more than half of the text. Like that joke that goes on forever and ends without a punchline, that some people tell when they just want to pull your leg. And whether it's done by the centurie…

There’s certainly no judgment made, in the sense that I think people should consume whatever media they prefer. If you don’t enjoy long form feature writing in English you shouldn’t read it.

My comment is intended to point out the genre. The comments on this article are like people complaining that rap music doesn’t have enough melody, or jazz music isn’t catchy enough, or whatever.

It’s an unwillingness to understand the concept. Some of us are pretty damn glad The Atlantic, Harpers, and The New Yorker, among others, are still around. The world isn’t running short of thinly narrated to-the-point content.

Re: Why Exaggeration Jokes Work

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But there's a difference between a story for the purpose of entertainment vs an expository story. The former are quite rare on HN.

Same rules apply. Writing is better when you start with the conclusion then expand on the supporting argument. Unless you want to bring the reader along for the ride of discovery.

> bring the reader along for the ride

That's the point of long form story telling in the Atlantic. Sometimes it is well done, this isn't a good example of it (the ride isn't worth it).

Re: Why Exaggeration Jokes Work

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been how storytelling has been done for centuries, it’s a a mark of thoughtful feature writing. The Atlantic is over 100 years old and extremely prestigious, it’s resonable to assume that at least from a technical writing standpoint they know what they are doing and do it on purpose. It’s not writing intended for a textbook or academic paper. It’s a story. You’re supposed to read it and get introduced to thi…

As someone who's first language is not English it comes off more as a mark of pedant writing. Some folks might enjoy the "storytelling", but it's really annoying when the author goes in circles and gets nowhere until you've read more than half of the text. Like that joke that goes on forever and ends without a punchline, that some people tell when they just want to pull your leg. And whether it's done by the centurie…

Also I believe the term they use for this kind of runaround is to 'bury the lede'. There was a bit of discussion on it on HN earlier in the year.

Re: Why Exaggeration Jokes Work

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Jokes are "absurd associations". Our brain thinks in patterns. When you put together two patterns(ideas) that don't belong together, it creates the feeling of absurdity, the less patterns belong together, the less they fit together, the more absurd they will feel. ("A man on a bicycle" is not absurd, "a man on a unicycle" is a little bit absurd, "Hitler riding a unicycle" is very absurd, "Hitler riding a unicycle while wearing a white dress and juggling fish" is absurd as fuck). Comedy is the art of finding connections between patterns. You "connect the dots" between two ideas, find an overlap(an association) between two patterns that are far apart, and you put them together. The more absurd(less compatible) the two ideas are, and the stronger the connection(the more it makes sense), the funnier the joke will be.

A longer post on this:

https://medium.com/@rayalez/comedy-theory-fd142076657e

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I can analyze about 80% of the jokes this way and find two different patterns with clear connection between them, remaining 20% are what I call "purely absurd" jokes, they don't have two connected patterns, they're just ideas that make as little sense as possible. I don't know how to explain both types with some common underlying mechanism.

Just as an example, here's a "dot-connect" comedy sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT6jS_X4NaY

(Pattern 1 is clouds, common recognizer is "cloud that looks like a mushroom", pattern 2 is nuclear explosion).

And here's a "pure absurd" comedy sketch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQfvSLxTsEs

(no two distinct but connected patterns that I can discern, just an absurd idea that makes as little sense as possible)

- Puns are the simplest example of dot-connect jokes ("this word sounds like this other word"). Pranks too (the same situation means one thing to the person who's doing the prank, and another to the person who's being pranked).

- Metaphors are associations that aren't absurd enough to be funny, if a metaphor is absurd/weird enough it becomes a joke.

- Exaggeration/reversal jokes are closer to "pure absurd" jokes, you're taking a normal idea and making it make less sense by exaggerating a part of the pattern, or replacing it with it's opposite.

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Animals seem to laugh when playing, another way to put it - "fake fighting". Play makes sense evolutionarily because kids are practicing fighting, and laughter seems like a signal that "I'm not actually trying to hurt you". I couldn't figure out how to reconcile it with the idea of absurdity, they seem vaguely similar, but I can't expain how comedy works from evolutionary standpoint.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughter_in_animals

To understand humor from evolutionary perspective, it would be interesting to analyze the jokes babies and kids find funny. Why do babies laugh at peekaboo?

Here's a fascinating video about the first jokes Hank Green's kid has came up with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q9AEu27NAg

Interestingly, two of them are "pure absurd" jokes (blue baby, police bus), and three of them are "dot-connect" jokes(mam-da, papa pants, coconut baby).

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Laughter and humor are not the same thing. Tickling isn't funny, "social signaling" laughter isn't funny (like when girl giggles when she's attracted to a guy).

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It would make sense if brains evolved to reward novelty. When you learn something insightful about the world, you get a pleasant dopamine hit. If comedy is "supernormal stimuli", it could come from people learning to hack this mechanism, making the sensation more intense.

The way people add more sugar/fat to the food to make taste more intense, or learned to masturbate to fake sex, maybe people found a way to trick their minds into feeling they've learned something super insightful? But what does that have to do with laughter?

Some sort of error-correction process? When you learn a new idea, your brain corrects your old wrong world model, "erasing" mistaken beliefs. Another way to describe absurd is an "obvious error". Maybe there's something to it...

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It's easier to make jokes on taboo subjects because there's an absurd gap between the seriousness of a taboo subject and a lighthearted goofiness of a joke.

Re: Why Exaggeration Jokes Work

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Jokes are "absurd associations". Our brain thinks in patterns. When you put together two patterns(ideas) that don't belong together, it creates the feeling of absurdity, the less patterns belong together, the less they fit together, the more absurd they will feel. ("A man on a bicycle" is not absurd, "a man on a unicycle" is a little bit absurd, "Hitler riding a unicycle" is very absurd, "Hitler riding a unicycle whi…

I have wondered at times if it would be possible to have a whole academic field of study in 'humor theory'. I personally termed it as the unexpected is part of what makes things funny.

A professor giving a lecture on medieval economics in a hall or an exotic dancer dancing at a bachelor party isn't funny. The exotic dancer giving a lecture on medieval economics at a bachelor party or the professor dancing at a lecture hall? Funny.

Re: Why Exaggeration Jokes Work

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post #55

Jokes are "absurd associations". Our brain thinks in patterns. When you put together two patterns(ideas) that don't belong together, it creates the feeling of absurdity, the less patterns belong together, the less they fit together, the more absurd they will feel. ("A man on a bicycle" is not absurd, "a man on a unicycle" is a little bit absurd, "Hitler riding a unicycle" is very absurd, "Hitler riding a unicycle whi…

I have wondered at times if it would be possible to have a whole academic field of study in 'humor theory'. I personally termed it as the unexpected is part of what makes things funny. A professor giving a lecture on medieval economics in a hall or an exotic dancer dancing at a bachelor party isn't funny. The exotic dancer giving a lecture on medieval economics at a bachelor party or the professor dancing at a lectur…

Awesome examples!

I think all jokes are surprising, but not all surprising things are jokes ("you have lung cancer" is surprising but not very hilarious). Surprise seems more like a side effect of comedy, instead of an explanation. The trick is to figure out what, aside from surprise, creates comedy. What kind of properties apply to all the funny things, and only to funny things.

There's a "benign violation" theory - they say that things are funny when they're surprising but harmless, but that's also not true. Plot twists, scientific inventions, new insightful ideas - there are plenty of surprising harmless things that aren't funny.

Re: Why Exaggeration Jokes Work

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been how storytelling has been done for centuries, it’s a a mark of thoughtful feature writing. The Atlantic is over 100 years old and extremely prestigious, it’s resonable to assume that at least from a technical writing standpoint they know what they are doing and do it on purpose. It’s not writing intended for a textbook or academic paper. It’s a story. You’re supposed to read it and get introduced to thi…

It’s not writing intended for a textbook or academic paper. It’s a story. You’re supposed to read it and get introduced to things and discover the themes of the story gradually. I didn't discover crap. Lost my attention way before I skimmed over to the near-end where they started making the connection to exaggeration. Not because my attention span is that low but, rather, 99% of newspaper articles and columns are wit…

So you're saying that all stories, no matter their natural size or content, should be padded out to novel length and published as a book?

If you want short form bare facts soulless prose, you shouldn't leave twitter

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