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Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by gruez » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:19 AM UTC

karmasimida wrote: post #45

gruez wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Canada can choose to walk away What is "walking away" in this context? Releasing Meng, and in the process, reneging on the extradition treaty?

Your claim makes it sound like Canada has to do whatever US told it to do under any circumstance. I had hard time to believe that is the actual situation here.

>Your claim makes it sound like Canada has to do whatever US told it to do under any circumstance

No, Canada has to do whatever the US-Canada extradition treaty says, not whatever the current US administration tells it to do.

>I had hard time to believe that is the actual situation here.

How so?

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by nutcracker46 » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:21 AM UTC

karmasimida wrote: post #28

bhouston wrote: post #3

The us involved Canada in this trade war on purpose by issuing this arrest warrant that we had to execute because of our legal agreements with the us. Now the Chinese is retailating against us and we will have to respond. Great. It would be one thing if we had willingly decided to get involved but this is us being forced to get involved.

Canada can choose to walk away, which would be smart. But apparently there is some miscalculation, now they stuck in between two superpowers.

They are not stuck. They are adhering to the principle called rule of law, where the accused are extradited, tried in court, and guilt is based on evidence instead of family status.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by nutcracker46 » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:24 AM UTC

devoply wrote: post #34

DeonPenny wrote: post #21

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But everyone knows he can't and the fact that he didn't know she'd be arrested is proof. Making legal matter political is how you get corruption

The prosecution represents the executive branch, they can drop the case at any time. He can tell them to drop the case. He has the power to do so and no one can stop him from doing that. They all in the end answer to him. The judges are independent, but it's the prosecution which brings the charges, and can drop the charges at any time. https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/05/president-trump-prose...

Trump can pardon a guilty verdict, but he cannot force charges to be dropped.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by mirimir » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:26 AM UTC

nutcracker46 wrote: post #47

mirimir wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure that it's retaliation over the Huawei arrest. But those two aren't exactly innocent tourists.[0] And I'm sure that the Chinese could make passable arguments for their detention. Espionage is a difficult charge to disprove. 0) https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/biographical-...

That's a viewpoint of a bullshit legal system of thugs, based on the accused being guilty until proven innocent.

Actually, that's a pretty common standard. It's more or less a part of legal systems based on the Napoleonic Code. Defendants are basically treated as guilty until proven innocent. Don't get arrested in Mexico, for example, unless you can pay good bribes.

And actually, now in the UK you can be jailed for refusing to provide decryption keys or passphrases. We just saw the new policy in India. And things are heading that way in the US. Also, those charged with politically incorrect offenses are more and more treated as guilty until proven innocent.

So anyway, claiming moral superiority is an iffy proposition.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by nutcracker46 » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:30 AM UTC

cauldron wrote: post #2

They are boycotting Canadian brands.

The boycotts are hollow when Chinese airlines continue to buy Boeing and Bombardier jets.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:33 AM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #24

rubatuga wrote: post #13

It would be great if instead of rallying for boycotts, they could rally for the release of the two Canadians that disappeared.

I'm sure that it's retaliation over the Huawei arrest. But those two aren't exactly innocent tourists.[0] And I'm sure that the Chinese could make passable arguments for their detention. Espionage is a difficult charge to disprove. 0) https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/biographical-...

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Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by threatofrain » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 8:51 AM UTC

> Other companies are boycotting Apple, which is battling with Huawei for second place among the world's smartphone producers.

> A machinery maker in Shenzhen, where Huawei is based, threatened to confiscate Apple devices from employees and fire those who did not comply. Menpad, a Shenzhen-based tech company, said it would punish employees who buy Apple products. Finally, Shenzhen Yidaheng Technology said it would fine staffers who bought iPhones the equivalent amount of their device, while other companies threaten to withhold bonuses.