You can see the social erosion when you compare to a more coherent society like say japan. https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/09/why-are-littl...
These posts rarely point out incredibly strict immigration policies and the stark racial makeup of the countries that rely on group dynamics for rather inconvenient reasons. When you have a largely homogenous population that has been stable over decades - centuries in the case of Japan - then these types of relationships evolve.
Mom Lets Her Kids Walk to the Bakery Down the Block. CPS Chastises Her
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#42It's worth noting, this is in Canada. Laws are different everywhere. I know that in most of the US, CPS will not come out for a single complaint, not ever. It has to be multiple, repeated complaints, and the vast majority of the time, it needs to be more than a kid walking down the street- generally, CPS has more than enough real child abuse cases to deal with that they don't have time to pick up the odd stuff. Not s…
This is not true. CPS comes out all the time for ridiculous things like 8-year-olds walking alone in a neighborhood (first time). Read any parenting blog. We really need a law like Utah's in every state.
That's a phrase I thought I'd never read. Utah has some of the most outrageous nanny state laws, worse than stuff I could even dream up.
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#43I wonder how we got to this. I'm all for parents being protective over children that aren't theirs, but when did we develop the entitlement that we should police the parents of other children? Obligatory "When I grew up...": When I grew up (I'm 32), there were still murderers, kidnappers, drug dealers, gangs, etc. My parents and the parents of all my friends let us roam free from the minute we finished our chores unt…
completely agree. I'm roughly same age as you, same experience. When we were kids we literally ran all over the place until dark with no adult supervision. Man I still remember coming home, having cuts and bruises all over me, having a pencil stuck out of my arm, bleeding, covered in poison ivy, the works. But I loved it! Those were some of the best memories of my life, exploring the woods, building tree forts and sw…
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#44It is kind of dangerous for a 3 year old to go, 3 year olds like to run especially when they are with siblings, and they can easily end up running on a road, and then someone who hit them on a car will have to live their whole life with that tragedy...
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#45The definition of "Neglect" it uses:
>285 (35) (a) "Neglect" means action or inaction causing:
>286 (i) abandonment of a child, except as provided in Title 62A, Chapter 4a, Part 8, Safe
>287 Relinquishment of a Newborn Child;
>288 (ii) lack of proper parental care of a child by reason of the fault or habits of the parent,
>289 guardian, or custodian;
>290 (iii) failure or refusal of a parent, guardian, or custodian to provide proper or necessary
>291 subsistence, education, or medical care, or any other care necessary for the child's health,
>292 safety, morals, or well-being;
>293 (iv) a child to be at risk of being neglected or abused because another child in the same
>294 home is neglected or abused; or
>295 (v) abandonment of a child through an unregulated custody transfer.
>296 (b) The aspect of neglect relating to education, described in Subsection (35)(a)(iii),
>297 means that, after receiving a notice of compulsory education violation under Section
>298 53A-11-101.5, the parent or guardian fails to make a good faith effort to ensure that the child
>299 receives an appropriate education.
>...
>309 (c) "Neglect" does not include:
>310 (i) a parent or guardian legitimately practicing religious beliefs and who, for that
>311 reason, does not provide specified medical treatment for a child;
>312 (ii) a health care decision made for a child by the child's parent or guardian, unless the
>313 state or other party to a proceeding shows, by clear and convincing evidence, that the health
>314 care decision is not reasonable and informed;
>315 (iii) a parent or guardian exercising the right described in Section 78A-6-301.5; or
>316 (iv) permitting a child, whose basic needs are met and who is of sufficient age and
>317 maturity to avoid harm or unreasonable risk of harm, to engage in independent activities,
>318 including:
>319 (A) traveling to and from school, including by walking, running, or bicycling;
>320 (B) traveling to and from nearby commercial or recreational facilities;
>321 (C) engaging in outdoor play;
>322 (D) remaining in a vehicle unattended, except under the conditions described in
>323 Subsection 76-10-2202(2);
>324 (E) remaining at home unattended; or
>325 (F) engaging in a similar independent activity.
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#46I wonder how we got to this. I'm all for parents being protective over children that aren't theirs, but when did we develop the entitlement that we should police the parents of other children? Obligatory "When I grew up...": When I grew up (I'm 32), there were still murderers, kidnappers, drug dealers, gangs, etc. My parents and the parents of all my friends let us roam free from the minute we finished our chores unt…
completely agree. I'm roughly same age as you, same experience. When we were kids we literally ran all over the place until dark with no adult supervision. Man I still remember coming home, having cuts and bruises all over me, having a pencil stuck out of my arm, bleeding, covered in poison ivy, the works. But I loved it! Those were some of the best memories of my life, exploring the woods, building tree forts and sw…
Article is about a 3 year old. I don’t think any issue would arise if a 7-10 year old did the same today.
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#47I wonder how we got to this. I'm all for parents being protective over children that aren't theirs, but when did we develop the entitlement that we should police the parents of other children? Obligatory "When I grew up...": When I grew up (I'm 32), there were still murderers, kidnappers, drug dealers, gangs, etc. My parents and the parents of all my friends let us roam free from the minute we finished our chores unt…
Where you grew up, when you grew up, what was the population size and density vs. today?
I'm a bit older, and had a similarly free-range childhood. The town I grew up in was on the fringes of farmland, on the edge of suburban sprawl. There wasn't even enough people yet for rush hour traffic to be congested.
Nowadays that same town is overwhelmed with people. The streets I used to bicycle down carelessly are parking lots at rush hour. I still have family in the area, but it's a very different situation. There's more crime in absolute terms, there always will be with a larger population.
Sure the media skews the population's perception of risks, making them even less able to think rationally about the probabilities. But it's not entirely to blame. There's very real change that happens when populations grow, the context becomes entirely different.
Even if you keep crime rates constant during population growth, the absolute amount of crime happening has increased, it's visible.
By the time I moved out in my early 20s, what used to be farms we'd bicycle to and eat raw ears of sweet corn from, had all become dense suburban housing developments interrupted only by busy streets and strip malls.
I believe it's still possible to find suburban/rural fringes to raise a family, in the classical free-range fashion. But it seems like these days much of those opportunities are so economically depressed that it's prone to drugs/crime of a different sort. We don't seem to have many functioning healthy small town economies anymore, not from what I've seen anyways. It's usually a dying town with meth problems and a wal-mart somewhere on the horizon.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, maybe they should consider legal action against this person as well. (Not surprising this is Canada t.b.h. this is the country where it seems people can't follow common sense in place of procedures and where people are too worried about anything that "might be dangerous") And of course kids die because of such stupidity https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ontario-mom-urges-scho...
The Ontario law preventing children from carrying and administering their own medication was changed in 2015[1]. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-law-passes-to...
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#49https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLWFHlPF_g8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EpRFqWlVl4
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
completely agree. I'm roughly same age as you, same experience. When we were kids we literally ran all over the place until dark with no adult supervision. Man I still remember coming home, having cuts and bruises all over me, having a pencil stuck out of my arm, bleeding, covered in poison ivy, the works. But I loved it! Those were some of the best memories of my life, exploring the woods, building tree forts and sw…
My mate Bob had free-ranging parents, but he was hit by a car and killed when he was seven so he's not here to say "survivor bias".