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Re: It’s probably time to learn Chinese

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Hate to be a naysayer but I disagree. English is used in international dealings and is spoken in a very large number of countries due to the british empire's wide reach and influence compounded by americas dominance after WW2.

Mandarin is a great language to learn in as much as Japanese,French and German are. Japan has long had a strong economy and exports a large number of goods,same with France and Germany except their colonial past and EU leadership positions makes their languages profitable to learn.

China wants to influence the world and be the dominant super power. however,much like Japan and Korea,they are not interested in expanding their cultural reach. Westerners wanted everyone to dress like them,speak like them and act like them -- the "civilized" way. Sharing your culture eventually leads to immigration and the cultural influence of others impacting yours. Their ambition is purely for the success and prosperity of their own people,not a "manifest destiny" conquest and as such I strongly suspect they have little desire to force others to speak mandarin.

What I'm trying to say is that while Mandarin has good ROI if you learn it,even 50 years from now it will likely still be comparable to learning French,German,Arabic and similar languages,and even then only if you deal with international trade and relations (or read tech/science publications -- seen some great write ups from Korean and Japanese security researchers FYI).

Mandarin should not be thought of a replacement for english but rather a complement. I can see a future where people speak both languages for academia and international relations.

Re: It’s probably time to learn Chinese

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Quite bearish on learning Chinese; and bearish, too, on articles such as this one. These articles are a type. You would see similar articles in 1989 regarding Japanese. That was not a worthwhile investment for most people. Trends about a country being ‘the hot new thing’ rarely pan out. The author of this article should know: he’s the “founder of a crypto asset manager.”

Meteoric national growth curves don’t continue; and the closed nature of these societies tends to mean they get hamstrung by unpredictable things in the future. No one can say why China’s growth will slow (and it already is slowing dramatically), but we can say for sure that it will be because of a lack of willingness to change.

Learning Chinese will be a worthwhile activity for leading Western businesspeople when the Communist Party is abolished or faces strong open competition for power.

Re: It’s probably time to learn Chinese

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Hate to be a naysayer but I disagree. English is used in international dealings and is spoken in a very large number of countries due to the british empire's wide reach and influence compounded by americas dominance after WW2. Mandarin is a great language to learn in as much as Japanese,French and German are. Japan has long had a strong economy and exports a large number of goods,same with France and Germany except t…

Only that mandarin may open up a world of 1.2 billion people, a whole universe to explore.

The case with japanese is a great one tho! Japan is way more advanced and still a huge place to learn about, and although it has less population, its way more relatable and maybe even more practical.

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Why is Hong Kong (predominantly Cantonese speaking) used as the image for an article about the need to learn Mandarin? Most people in HK do not speak Mandarin natively (although English is spoken almost everywhere here).

Nice catch, but the title is also about learning Chinese, not Mandarin in particular. But indeed in the text you see Mandarin...

Re: It’s probably time to learn Chinese

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I disagree with this article (and I've spent 8 years learning Mandarin part-time). English is far more valuable in business and scientific contexts, and the cost of becoming proficient in Mandarin is considerable (1000s of hours before it's useful in a non-trivial way). And I expect things to remain that way within the next 100 years.

Mandarin + English is not a very distinctive skillset: you're competing with millions of native Chinese who also speak English, plus millions of Chinese diaspora who learn Mandarin as a second language from a young age either through their parents or in a Chinese school.

Also, "fun point" 1 in the article is wrong. Chinese is hard. The hardest parts (for me) are memorizing characters and understanding colloquial speech (colloquial speech is very informal and different from written Chinese). Remembering tones is also hard for me, and some people also have trouble pronouncing tones and consonants (but I got that part pretty easily).

As an aside, why do I learn Mandarin, then? A few reasons:

- I think it's intellectually stimulating.

- I have a personal goal of learning a foreign language and I think Mandarin is one of the best to learn.

- It allows you to travel and experience Taiwan and China in a way that you otherwise couldn't.

- I might live abroad in Taiwan or China some day.

- Maybe I'm completely wrong and it will actually be economically valuable to me in some significant way in the future. It has been valuable in some ways since my company partners with Taiwanese and Chinese companies and I've used the language in to help me navigate business trips and also (very) occasionally for technical communication. But I think I could have been almost equally successful without knowing any Chinese.

Re: It’s probably time to learn Chinese

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Everyone knows that Chinese is hard. "Hard" is of course subjective, but I think everyone can objectively say that English is easier than Chinese. In fact, easier than most languages.

For that very reason, Chinese doesn't have the potential or practicality to become a default language.

Re: It’s probably time to learn Chinese

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Hate to be a naysayer but I disagree. English is used in international dealings and is spoken in a very large number of countries due to the british empire's wide reach and influence compounded by americas dominance after WW2. Mandarin is a great language to learn in as much as Japanese,French and German are. Japan has long had a strong economy and exports a large number of goods,same with France and Germany except t…

50 years from now, Mandarin will be much more useful than Arabic or French, because it will be the largest market in the world. If you deal with China professionally, knowing Mandarin will be an advantage.
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