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Evan Spiegel’s Imperious Style Made Snapchat a Success Until Users Fled

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Re: Evan Spiegel’s Imperious Style Made Snapchat a Success Until Users Fled

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Post by icelancer »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #20
twblalock wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snap, and also Twitter, are in a bit of a bind. They can't change anything without alienating some of their most passionate users, but if they change nothing they will stagnate and cede all of the possible benefits of innovation to their competitors. A company that lets its competitors come up with all the new ideas is probably not going to survive very long. It's understandable that Snap wanted to improve its design…

Twitter’s problems aren’t confusing: fix the abuse problem and add an edit button.

> fix the abuse problem

This has been a problem for about 30 years online, so good luck with all that.

> add an edit button

User tweets out something nice. 10k retweets. Then changes it to something political.

Re: Evan Spiegel’s Imperious Style Made Snapchat a Success Until Users Fled

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Post by icelancer »

bigfartchili wrote: post #6

This feels like what happened to digg. Reddit did their redesign right. Many people hated it and they gave the option to go to the old reddit immediately after the new version was released.

Yeah the reddit redesign is horrific. Thankfully, they keep old.reddit.com up and will maintain it indefinitely, which I'll use... also indefinitely.

Re: Evan Spiegel’s Imperious Style Made Snapchat a Success Until Users Fled

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Post by Intermernet »

hinata wrote: post #9
bigfartchili wrote: post #6

This feels like what happened to digg. Reddit did their redesign right. Many people hated it and they gave the option to go to the old reddit immediately after the new version was released.

And they made it so smooth, too - just replace www with old! Considering, too, their incredible API, I have a lot of respect for the Reddit developers.

Not on mobile. I don't want to install the app, and the mobile site is basically a bunch of dark patterns piled on deliberately broken functionality. It's amazingly, and consciously terrible.

Re: Evan Spiegel’s Imperious Style Made Snapchat a Success Until Users Fled

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Post by sowhatquestion »

bigfartchili wrote: post #6

This feels like what happened to digg. Reddit did their redesign right. Many people hated it and they gave the option to go to the old reddit immediately after the new version was released.

Honest question: what's so bad about the reddit redesign?

Re: Evan Spiegel’s Imperious Style Made Snapchat a Success Until Users Fled

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Post by xref »

icelancer wrote: post #21
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter’s problems aren’t confusing: fix the abuse problem and add an edit button.

> fix the abuse problem This has been a problem for about 30 years online, so good luck with all that. > add an edit button User tweets out something nice. 10k retweets. Then changes it to something political.

HN both has an edit button and is not susceptible to your hypothetical. these are solvable problems.

Re: Evan Spiegel’s Imperious Style Made Snapchat a Success Until Users Fled

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Post by troquerre »

toasterlovin wrote: post #12
turndown wrote: post #11

I will never understand the desire to radically change an interface on any product <10 years old. Especially Snap's, as I don't remember anyone complaining about the interface. Instead, why not make your app use less battery power and improve the camera's functionality? Those types of improvement are universally appreciated, yet the least likely to be implemented.

> Especially Snap's, as I don't remember anyone complaining about the interface. Surely you’re joking? I make software for a living and I was utterly and completely lost in Snapchat. Easily the most confusing software I’ve used in a long time.

You were not snaps target user

Re: Evan Spiegel’s Imperious Style Made Snapchat a Success Until Users Fled

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Post by pcurve »

icelancer wrote: post #22
bigfartchili wrote: post #6

This feels like what happened to digg. Reddit did their redesign right. Many people hated it and they gave the option to go to the old reddit immediately after the new version was released.

Yeah the reddit redesign is horrific. Thankfully, they keep old.reddit.com up and will maintain it indefinitely, which I'll use... also indefinitely.

I've been using the new design for a few months and I quite like it, especially launching Comment in modal.

After revisiting the old site, I didn't think I'd miss it, but the old site is just much better in many ways.

Re: Evan Spiegel’s Imperious Style Made Snapchat a Success Until Users Fled

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Post by icelancer »

pcurve wrote: post #27
icelancer wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah the reddit redesign is horrific. Thankfully, they keep old.reddit.com up and will maintain it indefinitely, which I'll use... also indefinitely.

I've been using the new design for a few months and I quite like it, especially launching Comment in modal. After revisiting the old site, I didn't think I'd miss it, but the old site is just much better in many ways.

I truly gave the redesign a shot for a week or so. I hate being the guy who is like "OLD STUFF WAS BETTER."

But the old site really is better. Especially if you use RES.

Re: Evan Spiegel’s Imperious Style Made Snapchat a Success Until Users Fled

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Post by icelancer »

xref wrote: post #25
icelancer wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fix the abuse problem This has been a problem for about 30 years online, so good luck with all that. > add an edit button User tweets out something nice. 10k retweets. Then changes it to something political.

HN both has an edit button and is not susceptible to your hypothetical. these are solvable problems.

HN is, how should I say, not Twitter in any sense of the platform. At all.

Re: Evan Spiegel’s Imperious Style Made Snapchat a Success Until Users Fled

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Post by tsomctl »

icelancer wrote: post #21
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter’s problems aren’t confusing: fix the abuse problem and add an edit button.

> fix the abuse problem This has been a problem for about 30 years online, so good luck with all that. > add an edit button User tweets out something nice. 10k retweets. Then changes it to something political.

Make it so that you can only change one or two characters, and make every edited tweet have a prominent button to see the original tweet. Maybe make it so that you can’t change links, images, or other media.
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