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A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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post #43

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that's a good point. I didn't realize people thought of oatmeal like that. I really enjoy oatmeal. I put some bananas on it or some pumpkin seeds, or strawberries or a little bit of honey and the whole thing tastes absolutely delicious.

This cheap food tastes really great when you put expensive food on top of it!

Small amounts of expensive food is still cheap.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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When I was living in Berkeley as a poor student, dollar tree was the only thing I could afford. I must say I never missed them, their products were the lowest of the lowest quality and now every morning and thank God that I make enough money to not worry about groceries.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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post #18

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Here in rural Iowa, Dollar General also has claimed the niche of "less stuff, but also nearby". You can either drive 5 minutes into town and go to the Dollar General for most of your basic needs, or you can drive a half hour to the nearest city with a Walmart / Target / etc. I really quite like stopping by to grab a quick thing or two. Around here, there tends to be a local grocery chain in the same vicinity, so gene…

> You can either drive 5 minutes into town and go to the Dollar General for most of your basic needs, or you can drive a half hour to the nearest city with a Walmart / Target / etc. I'm intrigued by these time estimates. Living in a suburb of Santa Cruz (just south of the Bay Area), the choices are similar. Completely inadequate corner store (much worse than DG) locally, or drive to a location with real stores. That…

We Iowans usually drive on country roads pretty fast -- also, we're used to 15-30 minute commutes for basic things.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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The Iowans probably drive everywhere at 80mph.

The Californians are more likely to be driving 75. That doesn't make much difference over a 20-minute trip.

It does when you aren't stuck in traffic at the start and end of your trip.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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While these communities are snubbing Dollar General and Family Dollar -- most of rural America welcomes them with open arms, because they stock roughly the same sorts of things as a CVS or Walgreens, but actually build out in a county of a few thousand, and the one next over.

A few decades prior, Walmart built up a retail empire through its willingness to build on the outskirts of rural, far-from-everything-else towns that only had gas stations, ailing downtowns, and maybe a small grocery store, but definitely not a supermarket. But even Walmart's best-in-class coverage leaves large tracts out, and these gaps are filled in by the sorts of Dollar General, for when you don't need to go to the Walmart another twenty, or forty minutes away.

In more populated, more urban areas, grocery stores have shed locations in neighborhoods that were faltering, further contributing to these locales' decline. These are interrelated. It's easy to claim that variety stores don't do enough about food deserts or that they even contribute to the problem (by not stocking enough fresh, perishable foods), but at least they're trying, while other national chain stores have pursued a pragmatic strategy that has largely removed them from this issue.

I once expressed, in a comment on a Strong Towns post [1], that when you consider settlement patterns, urban form, structural poverty, and food insecurity, perhaps you'll find that it's more sensible to subsidize fresh food delivery to people who could least afford it, but such a solution might find itself at odds with the solutions that (new) urbanists would prefer. It might not alter the structural status quo, but it could improve real outcomes in real people's lives.

And as for nonperishables and non-food, bulk packaging is a discount accessible to those with access (e.g. warehouse club), transportation, storage, and able to cover a higher upfront cost for a lower per-unit cost. These are all harder on low or unpredictable incomes, which is one of the many ways poverty is quite expensive. But is this the fault of variety stores? Of course not. The real fix is much harder.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17525029#17531109

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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I must have missed something in the article. the main cons I gleaned are - some items are not as cheap as walmat/costco like Fluor - they dont create as much jobs as traditional grocery stoes ( 9 vs 14) I assume the folks who are struggling are not stupid .. and have looked at every conceivable way of stretching their dollar and judging by the demand it (Dollar store) is providing a valuable service. I take another e…

“I assume the folks who are struggling are not stupid .. and have looked at every conceivable way of stretching their dollar and judging by the demand it (Dollar store) is providing a valuable service.”

I don’t believe this assumption is correct, but I also don’t think the individuals are stupid. It’s still true, however, that one can act against their long term interests when they are too poor to consider the long term over the short term. It’s not stupid; it’s just surviving. They may only be shopping at these stores because they’re the only ones close by and they simply don’t have the luxury of time to suss out alternatives.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

#67
post #59

I must have missed something in the article. the main cons I gleaned are - some items are not as cheap as walmat/costco like Fluor - they dont create as much jobs as traditional grocery stoes ( 9 vs 14) I assume the folks who are struggling are not stupid .. and have looked at every conceivable way of stretching their dollar and judging by the demand it (Dollar store) is providing a valuable service. I take another e…

> I assume the folks who are struggling are not stupid .. and have looked at every conceivable way of stretching their dollar

One might assume. Possibly the biggest trouble of dollar stores is that a lot of the "deals" are the result of simply selling things in smaller quantities. The next time you visit a Dollar Tree, compare the actual amount that you get for something like flour, oatmeal, detergent... really anything, to the sizes sold at normal stores. Things are often cheaper at Dollar Tree and Family Dollar because the containers are smaller, often 2/3 size, and sometimes the price for goods at dollar is more than elsewhere when adjusted for quantity. There are some deals to be found at Dollar Stores, but it's not as if similar deals can't be found at normal stores. Dollar Stores compete because of perception.

I occasionally stroll into a 99 Cents Only store and there was a time when they had big juicy mangoes for 1/3 of the price of the mangos at the local Ralphs or Vons. I bought some on the spot and they were delicious. But that's one of the ways that dollar stores get new believers; they will have a few really good deals on things that aren't really essential, like mangos, to get people to think "wow!" and assume that all the other low prices around them are just as good of a deal.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

#68
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in rural Iowa, Dollar General also has claimed the niche of "less stuff, but also nearby". You can either drive 5 minutes into town and go to the Dollar General for most of your basic needs, or you can drive a half hour to the nearest city with a Walmart / Target / etc. I really quite like stopping by to grab a quick thing or two. Around here, there tends to be a local grocery chain in the same vicinity, so gene…

> You can either drive 5 minutes into town and go to the Dollar General for most of your basic needs, or you can drive a half hour to the nearest city with a Walmart / Target / etc. I'm intrigued by these time estimates. Living in a suburb of Santa Cruz (just south of the Bay Area), the choices are similar. Completely inadequate corner store (much worse than DG) locally, or drive to a location with real stores. That…

Suburban Texas must be an odd phenomenon then. Kroger has found the key to dominating a vicinity away from Walmart. They build giant grocery stores about 3 miles away from each other where the Walmarts are more like 8 miles apart from each other. Then are various other competing stores in the mix as well.

* https://www.google.com/maps/search/kroger/@32.8956425,-97.18...

* https://www.google.com/maps/search/walmart/@32.8725386,-97.2...

* https://www.google.com/maps/search/albertsons/@32.8723824,-9...

* https://www.google.com/maps/search/aldi/@32.8724215,-97.2184...

A side note to this crowding is that unless you live within quick access to a freeway on-ramp it often takes about 30 minutes to get to that store 3 miles away.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

#69

The reason that there are places where the only grocery stores are dollar stores is because the people who live in those places are overwhelmingly poor. If you want these people to buy fresh produce and live like middle class people, you need to figure out a way to bring them out of poverty.

I agree. To me, this seems like a software patch I put in place to resolve some symptoms, but I did not go back and figure out my design was the real problem, and now the patch has created other issues I have to address. And pretty soon I have reached the "hard to remember the original chore was draining the swap" situation...

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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> “It advertises hard-to-beat low prices but it offers little in terms of fresh produce and nutritious items—further trapping residents in a cycle of poverty and ill-health.”

The elitism here is sickening. Why shouldn’t the author just come out and say “We know what’s best and have to control the stores around poor people or they might buy junk food.”

I hope people who think this way never end up in a position to influence actual laws or policies.

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