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A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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> You can either drive 5 minutes into town and go to the Dollar General for most of your basic needs, or you can drive a half hour to the nearest city with a Walmart / Target / etc. I'm intrigued by these time estimates. Living in a suburb of Santa Cruz (just south of the Bay Area), the choices are similar. Completely inadequate corner store (much worse than DG) locally, or drive to a location with real stores. That…

The Iowans probably drive everywhere at 80mph.

The Californians are more likely to be driving 75. That doesn't make much difference over a 20-minute trip.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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Here in rural Iowa, Dollar General also has claimed the niche of "less stuff, but also nearby". You can either drive 5 minutes into town and go to the Dollar General for most of your basic needs, or you can drive a half hour to the nearest city with a Walmart / Target / etc. I really quite like stopping by to grab a quick thing or two. Around here, there tends to be a local grocery chain in the same vicinity, so gene…

This is why I prefer being homeless in the Bay Area to going anywhere else to live for cheap, as people invite me. I spent like 4 days in a nice place in GA, in a downtown without baguettes, and came right back. I can shop at organic markets and coops everywhere. The high rent is a better cost than gas when housed.

Wait...what?

You're homeless and chose to leave a nice place because it had a downtown without baguettes? I mean we've all got our priorities but that sounds like perhaps you should examine your "needs" column more strongly.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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I love oatmeal and eat loads of it, but we really need to avoid telling poorly-informed people that the path to cheap nutrition is to eat bland goo. You might think about it as a rhetorical example, but you need to remember that people won't remember what you say, only how you make them feel. The salient imagery in your post is living on unflavored oatmeal, and that's not appealing to anyone.

that's a good point. I didn't realize people thought of oatmeal like that. I really enjoy oatmeal. I put some bananas on it or some pumpkin seeds, or strawberries or a little bit of honey and the whole thing tastes absolutely delicious.

I put peanut butter, raisins, and walnuts in it. But before that, it was one of the few foods so bland I couldn't eat it, and I like unsalted vegetables and beets.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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Every year for Christmas my wife continues a small family tradition: every year we go there and buy stocking stuffers for our small family. It's definitely a different experience than going to a grocery store for sure. It's almost like you have a department store or modern pharmacies like CVS with the food capabilities of a gas station or 7-Eleven. I can see why it would appeal to lower-income families. If you assume…

Aldis is my favorite store. All other grocery stores are obsolete.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

#55
“What if we went to these neighborhoods and didn't assume that poor people or communities of color do not want to eat healthy?”

You can lead a horse to water. You cannot make it drink.

I don't know how to fix this. I grew up in a home where food was very important. There was a garden out back and my mother cooked from scratch, etc. In recent years, I've been quite poor, including spending some of that time homeless.

My firsthand observation of other poor people is that most of them seem to cut the food budget first. Anecdotally, when I finally got off the street by moving into a cheap rental, many other residents clearly smoked cigarettes and/or marijuana. They tended to stay up all night. I wasn't disturbed by their behavior because I couldn't hear them in my room, but I could hear them anytime I went down the hall to the bathroom.

The character of the residents has changed in the time I have been here. I think the presence of my family is a factor in that. People behave better. Most people seem to sleep at night. We smell less cigarette smoke and less marijuana smoke.

We smell more food cooking in the building. I think people are smoking less because they are eating better and they probably somehow learned that from us (at least to some degree).

Do note that one reason a lot of homeless people smoke is because it is an appetite suppressant. I think people were smoking so much because they weren't eating enough. Now, people are eating better and smoking less and their sleep schedules, behavior, etc all appear to be improved in the aggregate.

I know from talking with people and reading articles, etc, that a lot of poor Americans have this idea that eating well is some luxury they cannot afford rather than a basic necessity upon which everything else is based. They try to get cheap, convenient food. They often lack good cooking skills.

To my mind, poverty and health problems grow out of this broken mental model. I don't know how we fix it, but I don't think just making sure there are stores selling fresh produce fixes it. When I was homeless, bananas and oranges were frequently given for free to homeless people and I sometimes saw other homeless folks just leave it on a sidewalk somewhere.

I really think we need to figure out how to promote healthier eating in the US. I don't think that actually starts with stores per se. I don't know where it starts. But we have this bizarre idea that "health care" happens at a doctor's office instead of seeing diet and lifestyle as the foundations of health that they actually are. Americans tend to have lousy diets and then high medical bills.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

#56
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You really have to differentiate between the food that's offered at a dollar store and everything else. I shop at the dollar store for things like shampoo, deodrant, toothpaste and it's superb deal, not in any way making me poorer. on the contrary it saves me money. for groceries, you should shop somewhere else, unless your looking for dog food. the reason there aren't more grocery stores selling good food is because…

"consumers prefer processed foods, sodas, chips, things placed in boxes and plastic" These things also last on the shelves for a very long time. Grains can store well, but other products like meat, fruits, vegetables, quality baked goods, etc. don't.

Not to mention the seal means you know it hasn't been handled by other customers. Who knows how dirty the unpackaged "fresh" food has gotten.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

#57

I normally like CityLab, but the tone of this article really grates on me. Calling dollar stores parasites? The article casually notes that without these stores many poor or minority communities would be true retail deserts, but it offers no workable alternatives. Only invective. Every Dollar General I've ever been in has dairy, eggs, a competent selection of canned and dry goods (pasta, beans, etc), baking goods, an…

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Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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post #18

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Here in rural Iowa, Dollar General also has claimed the niche of "less stuff, but also nearby". You can either drive 5 minutes into town and go to the Dollar General for most of your basic needs, or you can drive a half hour to the nearest city with a Walmart / Target / etc. I really quite like stopping by to grab a quick thing or two. Around here, there tends to be a local grocery chain in the same vicinity, so gene…

> You can either drive 5 minutes into town and go to the Dollar General for most of your basic needs, or you can drive a half hour to the nearest city with a Walmart / Target / etc. I'm intrigued by these time estimates. Living in a suburb of Santa Cruz (just south of the Bay Area), the choices are similar. Completely inadequate corner store (much worse than DG) locally, or drive to a location with real stores. That…

This is a funny, I totally agree that getting just out of Santa Cruz's densest part you'll run into people as redneck as anywhere in Iowa. I'm not so sure about anywhere in Santa Cruz County being like a food desert though...

But inside of Santa Cruz, there's an abundance of corner and grocery stores. Anywhere you live you'll have 1-3 amazing grocery stores within 1-2 miles. My favorite being Shopper's Corner, which has selection on par with stores being 5-10 it's size in physical area, but being quick to walk through and grab exactly what you need. And a butcher that will but 95% of the US's supermarkets to shame. So good and fast...

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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I must have missed something in the article. the main cons I gleaned are

- some items are not as cheap as walmat/costco like Fluor

- they dont create as much jobs as traditional grocery stoes ( 9 vs 14)

I assume the folks who are struggling are not stupid .. and have looked at every conceivable way of stretching their dollar and judging by the demand it (Dollar store) is providing a valuable service.

I take another exception to the approach this article takes .. instead of complaining about dollar stores moving into poor/urban areas why are they giving a pass to the established grocery chains for moving out ? it seems like providing 9 employment positions is better than the 0 being offered by the other stores.

Re: A Dollar Store Backlash Has Begun

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This doesn't really make sense to me on several levels - including the fact it is possible to eat perfectly healthy frozen and canned fruits and vegetables - a bit more additives in the case of canned but frozen if anything is likely better nutritionally due to being frozen at peak freshness. They just might taste a bit worse.

I wonder how much of the issue is cultural and institutional knowledge as opposed to economic. Poverty alone doesn't ensure lack of healthy cooking, the skills involve and time aren't free or universally possessed. One can't just handwave away the labor costs of auto repair for everyone because they know how to fix their own car.

Cynically the 'backlash' it seems more like a 'keep the poor out' move than anything else.

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