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Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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That paywall just led to me blacklisting the entire economist.com domain at extension level. Too bad. Don't do paywalls like that please.

HN guidelines ask that you don't complain about paywalls. It's explicitly off-topic.

Then it's a bad rule and we need to petition our benevolent overlord's to strike it from the charter.

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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My understanding is that a city boundary in the US is a big deal. The police force on either side can be completely different, things that can get you in a lot of trouble like gun laws can be different on either side, prices and taxes can be very different. In the UK a city boundary doesn't really mean anything. There might be a nice 'Welcome to X' sign but nothing really changes as it would in the US. I'm not even s…

It depends a lot I think. London's an interesting case, because depending on what part of London you're in you're dealing with a totally different police force - in the City of London, there's the City of London police but this only covers the square mile. Most of London is policed by the Metropolitan Police. Administratively, the City of London and everything else in London it's totally separate. The City has The Lo…

The City of London is the exception, not the norm. The history of how it came to this situation is also pretty interesting (the City is what should be called London, not the rest of the city.)

It's a less extreme version of what happens in Rome with the Vatican, which is a completely different country.

But in either case, it's just one inclave. The article talks about jigsaws happening in almost every city.

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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HN guidelines ask that you don't complain about paywalls. It's explicitly off-topic.

Then it's a bad rule and we need to petition our benevolent overlord's to strike it from the charter.

Ok - but until you've done that, please follow the rules of the site.

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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Can't read the article because the economist Saya I've read my free monthly limit. If the article is about governmental districts, it's because Americans are predisposed to having lots of small localized governments. Don't like what the guys 5 miles over are doing? Incorporate a township and run your own government.

load the page. hit esc before it's fully loaded. works for me, although, it maybe because i have a slow internet so it takes a while for the page to fully load...

Or open the page in incognito.

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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My understanding is that a city boundary in the US is a big deal. The police force on either side can be completely different, things that can get you in a lot of trouble like gun laws can be different on either side, prices and taxes can be very different. In the UK a city boundary doesn't really mean anything. There might be a nice 'Welcome to X' sign but nothing really changes as it would in the US. I'm not even s…

It depends a lot I think. London's an interesting case, because depending on what part of London you're in you're dealing with a totally different police force - in the City of London, there's the City of London police but this only covers the square mile. Most of London is policed by the Metropolitan Police. Administratively, the City of London and everything else in London it's totally separate. The City has The Lo…

The city of London is such a small and specific case; and it really isn't relevant to the jurisdictions of the outer boundaries (:. shapes) of British cities.

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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Can't read the article because the economist Saya I've read my free monthly limit. If the article is about governmental districts, it's because Americans are predisposed to having lots of small localized governments. Don't like what the guys 5 miles over are doing? Incorporate a township and run your own government.

load the page. hit esc before it's fully loaded. works for me, although, it maybe because i have a slow internet so it takes a while for the page to fully load...

I can sometimes sneak past on mobile (where I do most of my media consumption) by hitting "download page" in chrome before the JavaScript has time to trigger.

Depends on my connection speed

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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> The county is home to 88 incorporated cities, ranging in population from 76 (Vernon) to 3.9m (Los Angeles itself). Beverly Hills (population 34,506) is its own city, with its own police force, fire department and school district. So is Santa Monica (92,495). Even Vernon has a police department, with some 50-odd staff. Am I misreading this? How/why does a city of 76 have a police dept with 50 people?

You don't have to live in the city to work for the city.

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Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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It does make more of a difference than you think, though as you say it's nowhere near as marked as America. My city, Nottingham, likes volunteering to trial things. So we were the first or one of the first cities to have average speed cameras years ago, we also introduced a workspace parking levy. The former has gone nationwide, but the latter hasn't been adopted anywhere else. The planners in Nottingham also love tr…

Right but that's comparing a city in the north to a city miles away in the south. We're talking about the immediate boundary between outside a city and inside a city, aren't we? My local city is Chester, and I couldn't even tell you where the limit of Chester is now - I presume it's no longer the old Roman walls. When you cross that boundary wherever it is, nothing changes. It's still the same local government author…

I think the confusion is around the administrative area versus the geographical - e.g. Upton is a village in its own right, within the parish of Upton-by-Chester [4], on the outskirts of the city of Chester, but within the City of Chester UK parliamentary constituency and served by Cheshire Constabulary. You couldn't really argue it's part of the city though (although I'm sure the city council would love the tax revenue from the zoo...). In the same way, the US cities in the article are administrative divisions (i.e. the police forces are different because they're being paid for by different people, the laws are being set by different organisations etc.) rather than geographic ones.

Some of the UK cities used to have their own police forces too ([2], [3]), it's just more efficient (and probably resolves some fun legal challenges around jurisdiction) not to do that any more (see sibling comment for the City of London/Met but London's strange anyway). Until 1975, Glasgow had its own police force [2] with the surrounding areas covered by other forces, and relatively recently [1] had a dispute about its administrative boundary (again, likely for the purposes of tax - it moved which council was responsible for a shopping centre).

1: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1973915.stm

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Glasgow_Police

3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_City_Police

4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upton_by_Chester

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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> The county is home to 88 incorporated cities, ranging in population from 76 (Vernon) to 3.9m (Los Angeles itself). Beverly Hills (population 34,506) is its own city, with its own police force, fire department and school district. So is Santa Monica (92,495). Even Vernon has a police department, with some 50-odd staff. Am I misreading this? How/why does a city of 76 have a police dept with 50 people?

"Leonis Malburg, the mayor for fifty years, was convicted of voter fraud, conspiracy, and perjury in December 2009." [1]

Wow! Trying to spread democracy in the world, when you have little dictators in your own backyard.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon,_California#Elections_o...

Re: Why American cities are weirdly shaped

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Isn’t there a welcome to Wales sign on one side of the city? I always find it fun driving over the border and suddenly you can araf at the gwasanethau for a paned o de.

But that's because you're leaving the country , not because you're leaving the city. The city boundary isn't relevant there - the country boundary is.

Well, sure, I’m not saying otherwise. It was just a comment unworthy of a parry.
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