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Depression, Self-Identity and Reality: Living in a Story Created by Facebook

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Re: Depression, Self-Identity and Reality: Living in a Story Created by Facebook

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I'd like to see studies of how social media affects different personalities types. My intuition is that the negative effect can manifest in different ways. For example a person that has social anxiety in real life, let's say because is unconsciously worried about how to behave socially, maybe because the fear of rejection or being bullied by the group. This person would post probably close to zero, and avoid public comments, while being very anxious while waiting for a private response. I think the effect in this case, is that the person becomes even more isolated and even less social. Because these people can manage still in small groups of 4 to 5 people but I think on average we have 300 facebook "friends", that might not be manageable. And the extroverts would engage reactively only to other extroverts, causing other type of harms. That's my intuition from my direct observations.

Re: Depression, Self-Identity and Reality: Living in a Story Created by Facebook

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I'd like to see studies of how social media affects different personalities types. My intuition is that the negative effect can manifest in different ways. For example a person that has social anxiety in real life, let's say because is unconsciously worried about how to behave socially, maybe because the fear of rejection or being bullied by the group. This person would post probably close to zero, and avoid public c…

There are so many different paths this discussion can take. But what's for sure is that everything is going to the extremes--there's no middle ground here.

Re: Depression, Self-Identity and Reality: Living in a Story Created by Facebook

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I'd like to see studies of how social media affects different personalities types. My intuition is that the negative effect can manifest in different ways. For example a person that has social anxiety in real life, let's say because is unconsciously worried about how to behave socially, maybe because the fear of rejection or being bullied by the group. This person would post probably close to zero, and avoid public c…

I would say that most of the Extremely Online people I know who post a lot talk of introversion and social anxiety. These things manifest differently in online spaces.

Re: Depression, Self-Identity and Reality: Living in a Story Created by Facebook

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post #7

I'm all for burning Facebook to the ground but the rise in the use of antidepressants started well before modern social media. It does look associated with alienation, so does travelling alone, but social media use is probably a result of loneliness, an attempt to connect however feeble, not its cause.

Interesting thing is that antidepressant use rised despite antidepressant being mostly ineffective and their underlying principle of action being flawed.

This raises the question of why antidepressant use rised this way. Could it be that heavily medicated people are easier to manage and keep under control to prevent them from rebelling against the lives they're forced into by the societal system ? Could it be related to huge profits from pharmaceutical corporations ?

Then again Facebook and the computer as a machine middleman in human interaction is destroying social interaction and society fabric by replacing actual meaningful interaction that builds human ability to be human. Not the single cause but a recent and efficient accelerator of a trend that push us further apart from each other.

I recommend watching the following BBC documentaries by Adam Curtis:

  The Century of the Self[1]
  The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream of Freedom[2]
  All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace[3]

  [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_of_the_Self
  [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trap_(TV_series)
  [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines_of_Loving_Grace_(TV_series)

Re: Depression, Self-Identity and Reality: Living in a Story Created by Facebook

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post #3

Facebook is playing a very dangerous game by not allowing people full control of their feeds and even algorithmically sorting things. That's different from just "social media", it's a specifically Facebook way of doing things

I totally agree. And we're the ones paying the price of their actions.

Who is we? I am not paying anything AFAIK. When my girlfriend had problems, she simply stopped using it that much. I myself simply don't subscribe to pseudomotivational bullshit or internet "personalities".

Re: Depression, Self-Identity and Reality: Living in a Story Created by Facebook

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post #7

I'm all for burning Facebook to the ground but the rise in the use of antidepressants started well before modern social media. It does look associated with alienation, so does travelling alone, but social media use is probably a result of loneliness, an attempt to connect however feeble, not its cause.

Interesting thing is that antidepressant use rised despite antidepressant being mostly ineffective and their underlying principle of action being flawed. This raises the question of why antidepressant use rised this way. Could it be that heavily medicated people are easier to manage and keep under control to prevent them from rebelling against the lives they're forced into by the societal system ? Could it be related…

It seems to me that mental health cannot be outsourced the same way that other services can be. Additionally, we probably individualize mental health treatment more than we should, neglecting what I would term mental ecology - how one survives/thrives/writhes in their environment.

Re: Depression, Self-Identity and Reality: Living in a Story Created by Facebook

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post #7

I'm all for burning Facebook to the ground but the rise in the use of antidepressants started well before modern social media. It does look associated with alienation, so does travelling alone, but social media use is probably a result of loneliness, an attempt to connect however feeble, not its cause.

Interesting thing is that antidepressant use rised despite antidepressant being mostly ineffective and their underlying principle of action being flawed. This raises the question of why antidepressant use rised this way. Could it be that heavily medicated people are easier to manage and keep under control to prevent them from rebelling against the lives they're forced into by the societal system ? Could it be related…

I have a lot of friends that are significantly happier now on antidepressants than they were before. Maybe some are ineffective, I don't know, but when your first sentence completely contradicts experiences of my friends, I have to call bullshit.

Re: Depression, Self-Identity and Reality: Living in a Story Created by Facebook

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post #7

I'm all for burning Facebook to the ground but the rise in the use of antidepressants started well before modern social media. It does look associated with alienation, so does travelling alone, but social media use is probably a result of loneliness, an attempt to connect however feeble, not its cause.

Interesting thing is that antidepressant use rised despite antidepressant being mostly ineffective and their underlying principle of action being flawed. This raises the question of why antidepressant use rised this way. Could it be that heavily medicated people are easier to manage and keep under control to prevent them from rebelling against the lives they're forced into by the societal system ? Could it be related…

Interesting thing is that antidepressant use rised despite antidepressant being mostly ineffective

Except for antibiotics and simple surgeries, which are basically miracles on demand, most medical treatments don't offer great odds. Antidepressants do work, just not very well or reliably. We won't leave people to wallow or die though and have a need to do something for them. This is something.

However, it does indicate that people were battling depression before social media and its rates were increasing rather quickly.

Re: Depression, Self-Identity and Reality: Living in a Story Created by Facebook

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post #7

I'm all for burning Facebook to the ground but the rise in the use of antidepressants started well before modern social media. It does look associated with alienation, so does travelling alone, but social media use is probably a result of loneliness, an attempt to connect however feeble, not its cause.

Interesting thing is that antidepressant use rised despite antidepressant being mostly ineffective and their underlying principle of action being flawed. This raises the question of why antidepressant use rised this way. Could it be that heavily medicated people are easier to manage and keep under control to prevent them from rebelling against the lives they're forced into by the societal system ? Could it be related…

> antidepressant being mostly ineffective

That needs a great big giant source. Because there are so many peer reviewed studies and meta-studies that show that they are effective.

Re: Depression, Self-Identity and Reality: Living in a Story Created by Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree. And we're the ones paying the price of their actions.

Who is we? I am not paying anything AFAIK. When my girlfriend had problems, she simply stopped using it that much. I myself simply don't subscribe to pseudomotivational bullshit or internet "personalities".

"We" is referring to society in general. There will be exceptions to everything. Maybe you'd like to point out that people are free to opt out? Is that what you're saying?
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