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Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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This is the same growing pain that all the Git tip services went through. First, they accepted tips on behalf of repo maintainers on Github with the intention of letting those maintainers collect their tips later, then after a huge backlash they made it opt-in.

This cycle will repeat for any service that allows a platform to collect payments on behalf of users without asking the recipients for consent in advance.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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I just dug up info on how Brave’s contributions thing works and it feels like such a mess. According to https://brave.com/publishers/ - once you have accumulated $100 in contributions they email “the webmaster at your site” and the owner of your domain according to the WHOIS. I assume this is “webmaster@domain.name”, which I sure don’t have set up on my personal site. - you have to “check your balance frequently and…

I work at Brave on the business team. This is helpful feedback. Brave is a startup with a small team earnestly building a new thing that combines a browser with a tipping system, with creator tools, with ad blocking... it's ambitious! As it's a new thing, describing it can be messy sometimes. We're always working to make our language better and clearer though. Thank you for letting us know it fell short for you. To a…

Here's the deal. If you want what you're proposing to work - you need to copy the model that Google briefly used with Google Contributor.

Bid on the exchanges for the ads you want to block. Then serve cat pictures (or whatever). The creators will get paid through the existing payment infrastructure and you don't need to build an entirely parallel, opt-in system that will probably never gain enough traction to be worth using.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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The Containers add-on[0] for Firefox that Mozilla makes has satisfied my need for partitioning. It's on a per-tab basis and also lets you define certain domains to automatically open in a specific container (e.g. Jira always opens in my Work container). I can't really speak to Firefox's performance issues though. I feel like they're just as good on rendering and JS speed, but the overall UI doesn't have the same "fas…

Every time the containers add-on gets updated, it forgets all your preferences.

I've been using containers for some time now (probably since not long after it was announced) to keep my twitter accounts separate, and I've never had to reset or update my preferences.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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That sounds so clumsy that I suspect they really don't care / want folks to fail to collect.

I am on the business team at Brave. We want people to collect and get paid. It's a huge part of why we come in to work every day, to work on stuff that helps creators get paid. I'm sure there's UI/UX stuff in Patreon that could be better. That doesn't mean they don't want creators to get paid. It just means there's room for improvement.

People on Patreon intentionally wish to accept donations, while you hide their Patreon ads, links to their other sites, and replace it with your unwanted platform? You can't compare yourself with a service that _someone particularly opted into and wants and set up themselves_ with _misusing someone's brand to take money as an unauthorised third party, while at the same time blocking that person's intended messaging to collect money for themselves_

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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Yeah I suspect this is part of their overall revenue model.

Honest question: Why do you suspect that? (I work at Brave. We're all very, very nerdy here. It'd be helpful to understand why a fellow nerd suspects we're up to no good.)

Is the implication here that "fellow nerds" should always be given the benefit of the doubt for some reason?

I've seen some "very nerdy" people engage in some "incredibly selfish and shady" activities, so I can't help but laugh at that idea.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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Venmo has been doing this forever: https://help.venmo.com/hc/en-us/articles/217532047-I-paid-a-...

Venmo lets you easily recover the money though, and probably automatically returns it after a while.

Paypal does the same, and automatically returns the money to the sender if it's not claimed for a while.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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Brave is open source where Vivaldi is not. Vivaldi seems to have some performance issues as well. Aren't the Brave ads opt-in?

Brave ads will be 100% opt-in.

"Will be" or "are"?

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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Edit: title was changed, I am not Tom Scott I am not too familiar with how Brave and BAT (Brave Attention Token), so please chime in. Here's how Brave describes the BAT YouTube donations system: https://basicattentiontoken.org/brave-expands-basic-attentio... From my understanding, users of the Brave Browser select which YouTubers to donate to, but they don't know whether the channels have opted in to receive donation…

I work at Brave. Tips to un-verified publishers sit in escrow for the creator to claim. IANAL but GDPR refers to personal data collected from users. The only "Youtuber data" being "used" here is publicly gettable data from the Youtuber's channel.

Search on this page for the word "fraud". Here's what I'd do in your position: remove anything on the internet which personally identifies you as an employee of your company. Nobody knows what is going to happen next, but be prepared for it.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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Brave is open source where Vivaldi is not. Vivaldi seems to have some performance issues as well. Aren't the Brave ads opt-in?

Brave ads will be 100% opt-in.

That's not exactly symmetric with the policy for creators... You guys screwed up on this issue, and you need to stop everything else you're doing until you figure out how you're going to fix the screw-up and apologize. Until then, posting here is not helping your brand image. Maybe if you don't understand what you're doing wrong you could re-read this thread until you do, but really you should just hire a CPA. A bank is not allowed to commingle deposits with its own funds. You should not keep money that is intended for creators.

Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent

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So I typed my domain into the setup thing and I got this: "Hello. It looks like you are using WordPress!" "Your domain is NOT using HTTPS.Uh oh! Your domain is NOT using HTTPS. You will need to fix that before continuing." "The following error was encountered: SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv2/v3 read server hello A: sslv3 alert handshake failure" Why do I need to be using HTTPS before you'll think about pay…

We're always trying to make the verification process better. On the one hand, it's a pain. On the other, we don't want to let someone other than you pass themselves off as you. The DNS and HTML snippet methods are similar to how verification works for many of Googles publisher and advertiser services, for what it's worth. Sorry this has proven frustrating but I hope DNS updates for you soon!

> we don't want to let someone other than you pass themselves off as you

Wait, but that's exactly what you're doing to Tom Scott by collecting money in his name after he's asked you not to.

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