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Re: Indian government to intercept, monitor, and decrypt citizens’ computers

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Post by imhoguy »

pm90 wrote: post #66
imhoguy wrote: post #30

In less than decade both USA and EU will take lessons from these developing experiments (India, China, Russia, Australia) and will introduce the same locally. At first societies will be educated to stigmatise any resistance and ease the law change. Hiding data from govt will be like tax evasion or act of terrorism.

Nah. There has been pretty strong backlash against FB. GDPR is (as imperfect as it is) a thing. I don't see the West going down that road, disregarding catastrophic failure modes.

Government services are mostly exempted from GDPR restrictions. Google: GDPR Article 23.

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Post by PavlovsCat »

escherplex wrote: post #47
imhoguy wrote: post #30

In less than decade both USA and EU will take lessons from these developing experiments (India, China, Russia, Australia) and will introduce the same locally. At first societies will be educated to stigmatise any resistance and ease the law change. Hiding data from govt will be like tax evasion or act of terrorism.

educated ...reminiscent of contemporary video clip interviews with individuals saying I don't mind if the government reads my correspondence. I have nothing to hide. But for an historic contrarian view: Berlin 1931 (Weimar Republic): I don't mind if the government reads my letters. I've got nothing to hide. Berlin 1936 (national socialism): You writings make you an enemy of the state!

"Nothing to hide", with the centers of power doing what they're doing, pretty much means "I'm obedient, I'm complicit, I swear allegiance.... you go on right ahead and rob that granny blind, take all the organs you want from that child... I'll be over here pretending to find the marble pattern on the wall terribly interesting".

Ironically, they are hiding that from themselves.

Re: Indian government to intercept, monitor, and decrypt citizens’ computers

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Post by vxxzy »

dgzl wrote: post #37

And here is the natural born right to privacy that Americans have, as well as the rest of the world in my own opinion: Bill of Rights, amendment 4: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the…

We need to pay attention to the phrase "particularly describing the place to be searched". We need a way to define 'location' within a digital landscape. One possibility is to add a second dimension to the definition. An example: "location and time of storage". I'd like to see us push (as a society) that searches of "information" must notate the very "disk sector"/"network segment"/"geographic point to within 5ft" upon which the information sits AND specify a time limit (can't look at data after x number of years - not solvable right now maybe?).

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Post by lostcolony »

ja1215 wrote: post #61
vkou wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The success of fighting it only works as well as 'where does public opinion on the issue currently lie'. The constitutionality of a law is a political red herring. My favorite example of this is gay marriage. All the way between 1776 and 2015 it was illegal - yet somehow, magically, in 2015, banning it became unconstitutional. Did the Constitution change in 2015, without us noticing? Did the lawyers advocating for it…

This. I recently read a book that explored the history of the Supreme Court and some of its major decisions. I walked away with one thing: the Constitution can mean virtually anything to anyone. It really does come down to the social winds of that particular time.

Well, the alternative is to be an originalist, trying to determine what a bunch of dead white guys in the 16th century -meant- when they wrote it, which is big in a number of conservative circles, and amongst a number of conservative justices.

Personally, I find that an unhelpful approach because the world, and yes, society, change. But it -can- be a helpful guiding star. Those who don't learn from history, etc; well, we have this document that was very intentionally trying to protect against a variety of evils that had been directly observed. Reintepreting it to today gives us value, in that it's a warning against behaviors that are detrimental to society. What exactly is the extent of freedom of speech? The document won't tell you that, or what a good extent of it should be, but it -does- tell you that -it's important-. The countries with the most restrictive speech, the ones where the wrong words routinely get you thrown in jail, where there is little to no free press...there is no document the government is predicated on saying that freedom of speech is important. Etc.

Re: Indian government to intercept, monitor, and decrypt citizens’ computers

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Post by PavlovsCat »

techie128 wrote: post #68
sunasra wrote: post #59

First, it was Aadhaar and now this. Somehow Indian Govt wants to track every citizen and build their dictatorship.

Under a dictatorship, people don't have the right to choose. People chose a specific party to represent them in 2014 and in 2018 that party lost several state elections. This is far from how a dictatorship works. Your assertion is factually incorrect.

Building something usually refers to that thing not already being completed.

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Post by russh »

eps wrote: post #27

As someone on /r/sysadmin has correctly remarked - if you are outsourcing to India, you should assume that all data they have access to it is now also freely accessible to the Indian government.

I never thought anything else of any data that leaves my network.

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Post by adventured »

vkou wrote: post #54
saas_sam wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And when those phenomena are fought, it is on the basis of the Constitution.

The success of fighting it only works as well as 'where does public opinion on the issue currently lie'. The constitutionality of a law is a political red herring. My favorite example of this is gay marriage. All the way between 1776 and 2015 it was illegal - yet somehow, magically, in 2015, banning it became unconstitutional. Did the Constitution change in 2015, without us noticing? Did the lawyers advocating for it…

> All the way between 1776 and 2015 it was illegal - yet somehow, magically, in 2015, banning it became unconstitutional.

That's historically incorrect. Same sex marriage wasn't illegal in nearly any of the US until the 1970s. States including California and Florida enacted bans on same-sex marriage in the 1970s. And if you're talking about 1830 or such, the US was a liberal paradise (if you were white) compared to 1985 or 2005. There was no national ban or comprehensive state-based ban on same-sex marriage or eg drug consumption. The states heavily regulating marriage is a relatively recent phenomenon. The US used to have relatively few laws governing society in general, if you go back before the 1930s. The marijuana tax act was in 1937. Until the late 1970s we also didn't aggressively put so many people into prison. ~1970-2010 was an era of incredible regressiveness for the US on many social legal issues.

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Post by worldexplorer »

billfruit wrote: post #19

Things like this is why I think India has a very flawed political system, the executive is having too much power, and the Constitutional guarantees to citizens are flimsy, and courts including the Supreme Court are temperamental and inconsistent. Civil law protections are insufficient as they are presently. Govt can put you in jail on flimsy grounds, but you can't sue for damages on wrongful imprisonment, etc. Most t…

NSA has been doing this for decades.

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Post by worldexplorer »

sunasra wrote: post #59

First, it was Aadhaar and now this. Somehow Indian Govt wants to track every citizen and build their dictatorship.

NSA has been doing this for decades and last I heard USA is still democracy. Dictatorship in India is next to impossible.

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Post by andai »

birksherty wrote: post #60
mkagenius wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whatsapp etc seems to be guaranteed here It is end to end encrypted

It's still not secure. Read the 1st comment and the reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18479567

Summary: WhatsApp aggressively pushing online chat backups, to which they do have the keys.
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