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Re: Indian government to intercept, monitor, and decrypt citizens’ computers

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Post by techie128 »

pm90 wrote: post #66
imhoguy wrote: post #30

In less than decade both USA and EU will take lessons from these developing experiments (India, China, Russia, Australia) and will introduce the same locally. At first societies will be educated to stigmatise any resistance and ease the law change. Hiding data from govt will be like tax evasion or act of terrorism.

Nah. There has been pretty strong backlash against FB. GDPR is (as imperfect as it is) a thing. I don't see the West going down that road, disregarding catastrophic failure modes.

What do you call NSA surveillance? Pretty much all your life is online and NSA can get its hands on it in transit.

Re: Indian government to intercept, monitor, and decrypt citizens’ computers

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y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #23
sidcool wrote: post #8

As an Indian, this is scary. In the name of national security, this can go either way.

> In the name of national security This is detrimental to national security. It's irresponsible and negligence at best. There is no such thing as bullet-proof cyber-security measures and all these data leaks in the last several years are evidence of that. The more data that is mined, the more information for intruders (foreign and domestic) to have access to. For example Russia could have penetrated America's NSA and…

> For example Russia could have penetrated America's NSA and used the data mined there to create profiles of people they could effortlessly manipulate in America's 2016 elections.

How do you know they haven't already done exactly that?

Re: Indian government to intercept, monitor, and decrypt citizens’ computers

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Post by techie128 »

_mdlf wrote: post #26

This is much worst than what we saw in Australia, current Indian govt headed by right wing political party with track record of human rights abuses have passed this order without passing through Parliament using a loop hole in the IT ACT. This is likely aimed at upcoming elections for data analyses via ISP & to target journalists critical of the current govt in India. But I feel that the International community isn't…

Spreading FUD about India?

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Post by rjsw »

dgzl wrote: post #48
vkou wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a nice right in theory, but in reality, stop-and-frisk, border control, parallel construction, 'I smelled weed in the car', 'I had a hunch', 'the drug dog gave me a signal', 'we got an anonymous tip (from an illegal search, via parallel construction)' all exist, and are regularly employed in the United States. They also tend to be disproportionately targeted at particular, inconvenient, segments of the populatio…

I consider stop-and-frisk to be in direct volition with the fourth amendment. Boarder control is a little different. I have the intention of extending these rights to all humans, so the boarder shouldn't change the rights of humans. Becoming aware of substance abuse (while say operating a vehicle) has potential for being "reasonable cause" for search... Though I'm not sure I'd entirely buy it. I'm convinced that sinc…

The US is unusual in having Boarder control, Winter Sports resorts elsewhere don't place any restrictions on what kind of equipment you are allowed to use.

Re: Indian government to intercept, monitor, and decrypt citizens’ computers

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Post by computator »

vkou wrote: post #54
saas_sam wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And when those phenomena are fought, it is on the basis of the Constitution.

The success of fighting it only works as well as 'where does public opinion on the issue currently lie'. The constitutionality of a law is a political red herring. My favorite example of this is gay marriage. All the way between 1776 and 2015 it was illegal - yet somehow, magically, in 2015, banning it became unconstitutional. Did the Constitution change in 2015, without us noticing? Did the lawyers advocating for it…

> Did the Constitution change in 2015, without us noticing? No. What happened is public opinion changed.

Another great example of the same phenomenon is how the US Supreme Court ruled[1] that it was OK to record TV shows on home video recording devices, such as VCRs, in 1984.

There were no changes in the Constitution, and copyright law had become even more oppressive. What changed was that VCRs has become widespread by 1984 and the Supremes could sense that public opinion was strongly in favor of home recording. In fact, a couple of the Justice owned VCRs themselves. They were motivated to find an argument to make it legal.

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/01/the-c...

Re: Indian government to intercept, monitor, and decrypt citizens’ computers

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Post by closeparen »

techie128 wrote: post #65

This is basically part of a smear campaign against the government in power (NDA). The law was designed under the previous government and has been in existence before this government came to power. Nothing new was introduced since 2008. As far as constitutional protections go, Indians have a right to privacy which has been held up in the courts as recently as this year. This has been affirmed several times in the rece…

Denial, justification, and appeal to “everyone else is doing it” are a lot less compelling when used in the same breath that when deployed separately.

“Uighur detention camps don’t exist and also aren’t that bad.”

Re: Indian government to intercept, monitor, and decrypt citizens’ computers

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Post by rectang »

vkou wrote: post #40
dgzl wrote: post #37

And here is the natural born right to privacy that Americans have, as well as the rest of the world in my own opinion: Bill of Rights, amendment 4: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the…

It's a nice right in theory, but in reality, stop-and-frisk, border control, parallel construction, 'I smelled weed in the car', 'I had a hunch', 'the drug dog gave me a signal', 'we got an anonymous tip (from an illegal search, via parallel construction)' all exist, and are regularly employed in the United States. They also tend to be disproportionately targeted at particular, inconvenient, segments of the populatio…

I agree that cynicism is warranted, but an alternative view is that rights and freedoms are gradually being offered to a wider and wider percentage of the population. We start off with rights reserved for all wealthy white landowners... along the way we get more rights for people of all races... both males and females... and so on as our reality comes into greater conformance with our ideals.

This is the "arc of the universe is long but it bends towards justice" narrative that Obama and MLK have favored; it resonates with me at least, even though I certainly believe there remains much work to be done.

Re: Indian government to intercept, monitor, and decrypt citizens’ computers

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Post by AndrewGaspar »

dgzl wrote: post #56
vkou wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The success of fighting it only works as well as 'where does public opinion on the issue currently lie'. The constitutionality of a law is a political red herring. My favorite example of this is gay marriage. All the way between 1776 and 2015 it was illegal - yet somehow, magically, in 2015, banning it became unconstitutional. Did the Constitution change in 2015, without us noticing? Did the lawyers advocating for it…

I always found it weird how people starting thinking gay marriage should be legal, when in fact it should just be protected under the first amendment all along. It's almost like people don't understand their first amendment rights, and never thought to apply it to gay marriage.

Eh, that's a pretty simplistic assessment. It wasn't the ability to say you were married that was under contention, as I understand it. It was whether homosexual couples should be conferred all the same privileges as heterosexual couples. Those privileges don't really fit under a "free speech" view.

Re: Indian government to intercept, monitor, and decrypt citizens’ computers

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Post by techie128 »

closeparen wrote: post #76
techie128 wrote: post #65

This is basically part of a smear campaign against the government in power (NDA). The law was designed under the previous government and has been in existence before this government came to power. Nothing new was introduced since 2008. As far as constitutional protections go, Indians have a right to privacy which has been held up in the courts as recently as this year. This has been affirmed several times in the rece…

Denial, justification, and appeal to “everyone else is doing it” are a lot less compelling when used in the same breath that when deployed separately. “Uighur detention camps don’t exist and also aren’t that bad.”

Nothing in my post was even close to "Denial" or that everyone else is doing it. I was pointing out that my western counterparts are barking up the wrong tree when their own government is guilty of mass surveillance on not just their own people but everyone on this planet while India has stronger protections that have been held up in court.

People in glass houses should not be pelting stones.

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