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Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person

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Re: Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person

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There's a big difference: having a GPS in my phone means I never have to worry about buying or carrying a map with me ever again, at the cost of potentially revealing my location to someone who I'd rather not know it. Having a voice assistant means I don't have to spend a few seconds typing, at the cost of having everything I say potentially overheard by someone who I'd rather didn't hear it. By my quality metric, th…

> Having a voice assistant means I don't have to spend a few seconds typing, at the cost of having everything I say potentially overheard by someone who I'd rather didn't hear it. You're underplaying it in order to artificially inflate your mileage. Having a voice assistant means not having to learn to change application contexts inside an operating system follwed by a few seconds typing. You are ignoring the hundred…

> Having a voice assistant means not having to learn to change application contexts inside an operating system follwed by a few seconds typing. You are ignoring the hundreds/thousands of hours you've spent learning which software is appropriate for which contexts. Not to mention the latency of instantiating them, or possibly even installing them, migrating data between them, etc.

I can type everything I'd issue as a voice command into my home screen. I have to install and learn just as few/many things and commands as I'd have to using voice recognition. Op might have underplayed something, you just made things up.

Re: Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person

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I can't believe that so many people, especially the ones on tech sites like this, bought into the idea that speech recognition is such a hard job that it needs to be run on the supercomputers of tech giants. We had somewhat decent voice dictation software on desktops 20 years ago, when 100Mhz processors and 32MB of RAM were top of the line, yet now it's impossible with an order of magnitude more resources.

20 years ago you spoke directly into a microphone and could only use an extremely limited set of supported languages and locales/accents. You're also missing the point. I don't think anyone has ever claimed that speech recognition can only be done on supercomputers. Your laptop can surely run one of these models (though it would take a long time to train one). But there's a reason why an Echo Dot cost $20 and not $10…

A Raspberry Pi can run Snips. I don't know how long it takes to train or how well it works.

Re: Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person

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> Having a voice assistant means I don't have to spend a few seconds typing, at the cost of having everything I say potentially overheard by someone who I'd rather didn't hear it. You're underplaying it in order to artificially inflate your mileage. Having a voice assistant means not having to learn to change application contexts inside an operating system follwed by a few seconds typing. You are ignoring the hundred…

> Having a voice assistant means not having to learn to change application contexts inside an operating system follwed by a few seconds typing. You are ignoring the hundreds/thousands of hours you've spent learning which software is appropriate for which contexts. Not to mention the latency of instantiating them, or possibly even installing them, migrating data between them, etc. I can type everything I'd issue as a…

>I can type everything I'd issue as a voice command into my home screen. I have to install and learn just as few/many things and commands as I'd have to using voice recognition. Op might have underplayed something, you just made things up.

You are not the market that these are targeted at then. The normal person cannot do those things.

Re: Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person

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post #207

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There's a big difference: having a GPS in my phone means I never have to worry about buying or carrying a map with me ever again, at the cost of potentially revealing my location to someone who I'd rather not know it. Having a voice assistant means I don't have to spend a few seconds typing, at the cost of having everything I say potentially overheard by someone who I'd rather didn't hear it. By my quality metric, th…

> Having a voice assistant means I don't have to spend a few seconds typing, at the cost of having everything I say potentially overheard by someone who I'd rather didn't hear it. You're underplaying it in order to artificially inflate your mileage. Having a voice assistant means not having to learn to change application contexts inside an operating system follwed by a few seconds typing. You are ignoring the hundred…

Everything a voice assistant does could be done with an device that has nothing but a keyboard and a text input field. People are not complaining about the great natural language comprehension these things have, they're complaining about always-on microphones in their homes.

Re: Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person

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I've never seen a demographic breakdown of HN, but I'm 37 years old. I'm definitely not the oldest guy here, but I see history repeat itself regularly. I remember when people used location tracking as a reason to not own a cell phone. I'm talking about flip phones, mind you, not even iPhones with GPS receivers. I recall the bulk of complaints in that vein died down around the time Google Maps for phones came out. If…

There is no reason Google maps should be an online service.

If you're in Android use OsmAnd! It's great. It uses data from OpenStreetMaps. It does decent road and walking directions, in fact it tends to do far better at foot paths. You can download whichever regions you want for offline use. The only gap I have found vs Google Maps is transit directions.

Re: Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person

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I've made a fairly well-considered decision to use most of these new services. I keep virtually all of my content on services run by five major corporations because I'd rather have my entire phone's photos published on the front page of the Washington Post than lose all the photos of my kids. I'd rather have Jeff Bezos listening to everything happening in my house than have the more frequent trips to the grocery stor…

And you're not the only one. Outside of HN, in the real world, the average person doesn't set up a FreeNAS server or homelab for data storage, doesn't know how to do backups, and doesn't have nearly as much concern over privacy as the fear mongers here at HN, Reddit, and tech publications. Fear mongering is nothing new, folks. The media is incentivized to cater to people in that way; this is why they use scare tactic…

> the article implies this mixup would NEVER have happened if the user's [sic] had not requested their data be released per GPDR.

OK, cool. So as long as I don't assert my rights under data protection regulations, Amazon probably won't orchestrate a grotesque breach of my privacy?

Re: Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person

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This is exactly why we are building the first 100% on-device and private-by-design open-source Voice AI at https://snips.ai (and we have cloud-matching performances: https://medium.com/snips-ai/snips-brings-cloud-level-spoken-... ) Disclaimer: I'm a co-founder We believe that people want more natural interaction and AI at home, but that it should never be at the cost of their privacy. You never know what a company, o…

Hey, your product looks super cool but I’m a bit stumped as to why you’re trying to force a token into it. It looks like it’s a simple payments token, which doesn’t usually turn out to be a great idea if you look at the remnants of blockchain projects that did the same in 2018. Is this just a way to fundraise or do you have other ideas to make your product ‘decentralized’ aside from using a cryptocurrency? For the re…

Hi! Thanks! We are not so much forcing the token as realizing it is a technology which can answer some needs:

- it allows to build a really decentralized marketplace - it allows people to not share what are the apps they are buying, so to keep this private

Re: Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person

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post #94

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This is exactly why we are building the first 100% on-device and private-by-design open-source Voice AI at https://snips.ai (and we have cloud-matching performances: https://medium.com/snips-ai/snips-brings-cloud-level-spoken-... ) Disclaimer: I'm a co-founder We believe that people want more natural interaction and AI at home, but that it should never be at the cost of their privacy. You never know what a company, o…

Are you working on making actual hardware like smart speakers? I'm only asking because this would definitely help spread this kind of platform. Raspberry 3, despite being great, is not something the average Joe will mess it. There needs to be a physical product with Snip.ai on it that people can put in their home. Something sleek and well designed, not some Rasp 3 in a case with some mic attached with duct tape.

We are working with partners, in the meantime if you want to hack, you can buy a MakersKit at https://makers.snips.ai !

Re: Amazon Sends 1,700 Alexa Voice Recordings to a Random Person

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> Getting a voice assistant was life-changing for me Can you expand on that? In what way?

Compare the workflows for leaving a reminder or note. Before: * Find phone/computer * Unlock * Locate self in interface and navigate to application selector * Invoke note-taking or reminder app * Type in note or reminder * Navigate through tagging/scheduling interface * Commit note/reminder Or: * Locate notebook * Locate writing utensil * Open notebook to current page * Write note * Remember to check notebook every t…

If it worked, yes, absolutely. On my Android phone, however, the note-taking process is as follows:

"OK Google!"

wait 5-10 seconds for the assistant to chime. It might work if I don't wait, but mostly doesn't. Sometimes it doesn't wake up at all.

"take a note"

wait for the assistant to ask what the note is

"Remember to put your shoes on!"

Check whether the note was taken correctly

Also, if I was actually using the phone for something else:

switch back to the app I was using when it occurred to me I should remember to put my shoes on

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