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Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by jancsika »

robert_foss wrote: post #10

Avoid VirtualBox and becoming trapped in the non-free & personal use only extension by using one of the very decent open source alternatives Boxes[1] or virt-manager[2] [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Boxes [2] https://virt-manager.org/

I'll try that.

I use Virtualbox to compile CI artifacts for Ubuntu, Debian, OSX (homebrew), and Windows (msys2) by using the virtualbox executor of gitlab.

The other available gitlab-runner executors to build these artifacts cross-flatform are: virtualbox, parallels, docker, kubernetes.

Boxes and virt-manager aren't on that list, so they are out.

Parallels isn't FLOSS.

Can I use docker or kubernetes to build my desired artifacts?

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by torstenvl »

MaupitiBlue wrote: post #173
torstenvl wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really promissory estoppel, which can enforce a promise if you detrimentally relied on it. It's not really to your detriment to use the product for free, so it's not a perfect fit (unless maybe your company hired someone to administer the VMs, specifically based on his VirtualBox experience?). Some other possibilities would be the parol evidence rule (verbal exchanges between the contracting parties and their eff…

I think amyjess is right. From the Restatement Second: § 90. Promise Reasonably Inducing Action or Forbearance (1) A promise which the promisor should reasonably expect to induce action or forbearance on the part of the promisee or a third person and which does induce such action or forbearance is binding if injustice can be avoided only by enforcement of the promise. The remedy granted for breach may be limited as j…

I can understand how you'd think that, reading the text of the rule in the Restatement. However, at common law - and as shown in the examples if you'd keep reading - there has to be some detrimental reliance. Being able to use a product isn't in an of itself to your detriment. However, hiring someone based on that understanding might be.

A, knowing that B is going to college, promises B that A will give him $ 5,000 on completion of his course. B goes to college, and borrows and [[[spends more than $ 5,000 for college expenses.]]] When he has nearly completed his course, A notifies him of an intention to revoke the promise. A's promise is binding and B is entitled to payment on completion of the course without regard to whether his performance was “bargained for” under § 71.

(detrimental reliance in triple square brackets)

I have a hard time imagining a case being granted summary judgment for the defendant just because Oracle's customer sales rep told him "we don't really care."

In all honesty, the legal issue is more likely to be whether the person on the phone had apparent authority to grant a license. Even if a promissory estoppel theory would work, the person speaking to you would still have to be in some position (or appear to be in some position) to bind Oracle to a promise he/she made.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by Dylan16807 »

jstarfish wrote: post #195
gruez wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from wikipedia: >Phishing is the fraudulent attempt to obtain sensitive information such as usernames, passwords and credit card details by disguising as a trustworthy entity in an electronic communication "using virtualbox" isn't sensitive information. I haven't read the emails, but I doubt Oracle is disguising themselves as the company's IT department or something.

If you don't think information that subjects an entity to massive legal liability is sensitive, then I really don't understand where you're coming from. The entire point of these emails is to bypass established channels by getting random employees to leak information. If they want licensing information, there's an IT point of contact for that. Or Contracts. Or Legal. They are literally fishing for information leakage…

The key words are fraudulently and by disguising as a trustworthy entity. If they clearly identify themselves as oracle, asking about virtualbox usage, then it's not phishing.

> They are literally fishing

You can "fish for info" in a hundred ways. Only a small subset of that is "phishing".

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by Dylan16807 »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #191
gruez wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So 90% of cold-call recruiting/sales is also "phishing"?

Those are completely different. One is "Hi my name is XYZ at company ABC. Do you want to talk about our product DEF?" to which you instantly know it's a sales call and how to respond. The other is specifically emailing employees asking about their use in order to build a case against their employer in the hopes of getting an enterprise agreement or lawsuit out of it. It's far more shady and the actual nature of the c…

Whether the intent is positive or negative is unrelated to whether it's phishing. You could phish someone's info and then send them a gift basket.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Drdrdrq wrote: post #200
jstarfish wrote: post #185

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Extensions add "support for USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 devices, VirtualBox RDP, disk encryption, NVMe and PXE boot for Intel cards." I'd argue the added features themselves are mostly shit. If you need hypervisor RDP or FDE there are much better solutions than VirtualBox.

I don't care much about other features either, but accessing USB devices is often invaluable.

Often? For what kind of device? Input devices don't need to be fast, and storage is usually better off with a shared folder anyway.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by Narishma »

cm2187 wrote: post #86
teekert wrote: post #65

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Exactly, I'm upvoting this to prevent poor souls stuck on Windows from looking for these nice solutions...

But can't the poor souls stuck on windows use hyper-v and RDP into the vm?

Hyper-V only works on the Pro versions of Windows.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

thecatspaw wrote: post #196
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've taken to a macro that automatically "types" the contents of the clipboard when I hit a hotkey. Super useful with VMs and remote access.

does that work fine with lag? No dropped characters?

That is indeed a problem :-) I had to bump up the delay between characters and particularly slow connections or serial consoles still can bite me. Mostly I still consider it worth using though, since fixing a few small typos is less work than typing the whole thing by hand.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by zapzupnz »

jf- wrote: post #62
zapzupnz wrote: post #42

Holy cow, what an ugly user interface. I mean, it wasn't exactly a Matisse before, but it's just hideous now on macOS. Who thought "easy to use" rhymed with "make the icons look like nearly identical and somewhat indistinguishable blue squares"? Who decided that an already rather unprofessional drawing of Tux needed to be transformed into Baby's First Vector Drawing™? And why, when previous versions already did a sem…

Exactly the kind of nitpicking negativity I expected to see when I opened the thread. It’s an app for running VMs, not a piece of consumer software, it’s not being marketed based on how it looks. Say what you will about oracle’s business practises, but it’s a crying shame that this is the top comment. Edit: was top comment. Crying shame averted.

What a load of rubbish. If an app has a GUI that __was perfectly fine__, there’s no legitimate reason for it to regress.

Somehow, VMware and Parallels managed to understand and act this for the past decade in their macOS _and_ Windows offerings for consumers, so I expect a big company like Oracle to not screw up the basics of user interface design, regressions of any kind, and treating a major platform and its users with a minimal amount of respect.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by zapzupnz »

rashomon wrote: post #63
zapzupnz wrote: post #42

Holy cow, what an ugly user interface. I mean, it wasn't exactly a Matisse before, but it's just hideous now on macOS. Who thought "easy to use" rhymed with "make the icons look like nearly identical and somewhat indistinguishable blue squares"? Who decided that an already rather unprofessional drawing of Tux needed to be transformed into Baby's First Vector Drawing™? And why, when previous versions already did a sem…

> Call me a snob, but it reeks of sloppiness. Snob. The utility of the application far outweighs the aesthetics.

I really rally against people who think user interface design is __just__ aesthetics. How software looks and how software _feel_ are intimately linked, and go a long way to how much people get out of said software.

What use is utility when that utility is locked away behind regressions in usability?

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by zapzupnz »

ldehaan wrote: post #70
zapzupnz wrote: post #42

Holy cow, what an ugly user interface. I mean, it wasn't exactly a Matisse before, but it's just hideous now on macOS. Who thought "easy to use" rhymed with "make the icons look like nearly identical and somewhat indistinguishable blue squares"? Who decided that an already rather unprofessional drawing of Tux needed to be transformed into Baby's First Vector Drawing™? And why, when previous versions already did a sem…

Let me guess you code in ruby and use a macbook air.

Swift and Typescript on a 27” iMac. What does that have to do with it?
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