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Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

#31

I'm not familiar with Wayland, so I read the architecture article: "Wayland is a complete window system in itself, but even so, if we're migrating away from X, it makes sense to have a good backwards compatibility story." http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html

I'd rather see Wayland implement the X protocol themselves rather than proxy to Xorg. Running X and Wayland simultaneously could have performance implications on older computers or netbooks, two of Ubuntu's biggest targets.

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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I give this the thumbs-up. I'm not particularly fond of X11. In fact, I suspect it has been holding back GUI on GNU/Linux for a while.

I agree. X is one of the reasons I'm not terribly fond of Linux. I don't know if wayland will help, but trying new things is defintiely good for innovation and advancement, so I'm completely in favour of this move. Hopefully something awesome will come of it!

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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I give this the thumbs-up. I'm not particularly fond of X11. In fact, I suspect it has been holding back GUI on GNU/Linux for a while.

A while? You must have never read the UNIX-HATERS Handbook (http://simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf), which should be required reading for any unix fan, along with the Plan9 design documents (cat-v.org). In this case, "the X Windows disaster" chapter seems most appropriate. Feel free to ignore the VMS fanboys, though.

And yes, I am a dedicated unix (OpenBSD) user.

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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This is a huge shift if it happens. X has been synonymous with GUIs on unix for more than 20 years, and has accumulated all the attendant baggage (both good and bad). There are also some big consequences for the linux landscape. The first and obvious one is that if other distros don't imitate Ubuntu they will drift farther apart. People complain about Ubuntu going their own way now , image what it will be like if the…

Ubuntu is certainly not too big to ignore. I have never seen any source say Linux (let alone Ubuntu) has more than 5% marketshare. Does your company support 800x600? How about IE6?

If I was selling software to defense companies I'd support IE6.

If I was selling software to primary school teachers I'd support 800x600.

If I was selling technology to engineers (especially CUDA types building render farms of thousands of nodes) you can bet your life I'd support Ubuntu. I wouldn't want to give them any reasons at all not to use my stuff everywhere, in case I accidentally opened a niche my competitor could dominate and expand from.

These days games are just a part of Nvidia's market.

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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I really wonder how we are going to manage Wayland for video: - does it support Xv or the like? Or are we going to use the broken OpenGL drivers (no working overlay for most of them...) - does it support VAAPI or VDPAU, that seems very linked to x11 too? We'll see, but I have a bad feeling.

My fear is lack of remote desktop. I would never use a Linux desktop without NX support.

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

#36
Just for comparison, Apple "ditched" X too (they never used X). When they went to OS X they used Display Postscript rather than X. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_PostScript

This has been a mixed bag: it has been good for Apple-only programs, but it significantly slowed and complicated the porting of existing and new X-based programs to Apple.

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

#38
Just one question, I hear that Wayland is hugely dependent on the latest Graphics cards. So that would mean that ubuntu will no longer be usable by people like me who have moderately old hardware (mine is p4 with on board intel graphics, which are already having problems even with X).

I liked how ubuntu was stable on my computer (till around 8.10 I think and 9.04 was not bad). I will miss the compatibility

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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post #21

I give this the thumbs-up. I'm not particularly fond of X11. In fact, I suspect it has been holding back GUI on GNU/Linux for a while.

A while ? You must have never read the UNIX-HATERS Handbook ( http://simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf ), which should be required reading for any unix fan, along with the Plan9 design documents (cat-v.org). In this case, "the X Windows disaster" chapter seems most appropriate. Feel free to ignore the VMS fanboys, though. And yes, I am a dedicated unix (OpenBSD) user.

While I loved reading the Unix haters handbook it gets many things wrong. It gets a lot right too, but the point is it takes some critical thinking (and good knowledge of Unix) to tell which is which.

In that respect I found the chapter on X to be one of the weakest. They trot out the old "X named the client and server the wrong way around" chestnut for example...

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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post #30
post #22

This is a huge shift if it happens. X has been synonymous with GUIs on unix for more than 20 years, and has accumulated all the attendant baggage (both good and bad). There are also some big consequences for the linux landscape. The first and obvious one is that if other distros don't imitate Ubuntu they will drift farther apart. People complain about Ubuntu going their own way now , image what it will be like if the…

Ubuntu is certainly not too big to ignore. I have never seen any source say Linux (let alone Ubuntu) has more than 5% marketshare. Does your company support 800x600? How about IE6?

Uh, NVIDIA made the decision to fully support linux a long time ago. Within that ecosystem, Ubuntu is too big to ignore.
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