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Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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The idea of Wayland growing and becoming a more usable platform sound terrific. The troubling part about this is ubuntu's history of doing what's good for ubuntu.

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Ubuntu Unity is a desktop shell replacement and has nothing to do with the Unity game development platform.

Or was this a joke and I just wooshed it?

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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I have a worry of this turning out very badly.

Wayland uses OpenGL ES for rendering, preparing Ubuntu for handsets. Ubuntu must be eying a future alongside Android, which is an excellent bet. There have been many attempts at X replacement, all well justified, and if Wayland is the best of them, it would still be better than the baroque X protocol. Like almost every C++ programmer working in the early 00s, I too hacked on Berlin :-|

It looks like Wayland runs on top of X, not replacing X.

Which makes sense. OpenGL is just an API, not a hardware wire-level protocol. Unless Wayland implements its own graphics drivers (which I find highly unlikely), it'll just make use of the same drivers that X uses for implementing OpenGL. And that still leaves things like input handling.

From the Wikipedia entry it looks like Wayland uses X for input and rendering, but other apps can connect to Wayland to have things rendered. Kind of like how X itself works.

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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The idea of Wayland growing and becoming a more usable platform sound terrific. The troubling part about this is ubuntu's history of doing what's good for ubuntu.

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I dont think the Unity shell and Unity game platform are in any way related. Am i wrong? EDIT: Sorry, I thought I was the only one pointing out the error but looks like I formed part of a mob. Anyway, it's an easy mistake to make, you can hardly be blamed for not following every little detail of Ubuntu and the things that run on it :)

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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The idea of Wayland growing and becoming a more usable platform sound terrific. The troubling part about this is ubuntu's history of doing what's good for ubuntu.

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I think you're confusing http://unity3d.com/ with https://launchpad.net/unity. Unity desktop is GPL3 / LGPL3.

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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The idea of Wayland growing and becoming a more usable platform sound terrific. The troubling part about this is ubuntu's history of doing what's good for ubuntu.

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Either I'm confused or you are: I was under the impression that when they talk about Unity they mean a replacement shell for Gnome and not the web plugin. Or is this a different conversation?

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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Wayland uses OpenGL ES for rendering, preparing Ubuntu for handsets. Ubuntu must be eying a future alongside Android, which is an excellent bet. There have been many attempts at X replacement, all well justified, and if Wayland is the best of them, it would still be better than the baroque X protocol. Like almost every C++ programmer working in the early 00s, I too hacked on Berlin :-|

This seems less ambitious than Berlin in a lot of ways. One big difference is that Berlin aimed for network transparency (like X, but ideally done even better), while Wayland is local-only. That might simplify enough things to make it more likely to succeed. For me personally, now that nx makes X's network transparency actually usable, I'm not in a big hurry to go back to a non-network-transparent windowing system wi…

This seems less ambitious than Berlin in a lot of ways.

Worse is better, and whoever ships a working prototype is best.

Sacrificing network transparency for local performance should be a no-brainer, given the use-cases.

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I think you're confusing http://unity3d.com/ with https://launchpad.net/unity . Unity desktop is GPL3 / LGPL3.

Please upvote this guy while you egg me on the face.

BLOODY HELL! What a relief!

But can you blame me given the name and purpose proximity? :-/

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Ubuntu Unity is a desktop shell replacement and has nothing to do with the Unity game development platform. Or was this a joke and I just wooshed it?

Nope, not a joke. I am really that stupid.

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I dont think the Unity shell and Unity game platform are in any way related. Am i wrong? EDIT: Sorry, I thought I was the only one pointing out the error but looks like I formed part of a mob. Anyway, it's an easy mistake to make, you can hardly be blamed for not following every little detail of Ubuntu and the things that run on it :)

I have already admitted to my error elsewhere, but just for the sake of intellectual honesty .. I do think Unity3D is somewhat of an under-appreciated technology.

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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I think Mark Shuttleworth is taking bold steps to ensure that Ubuntu is well positioned for the future. He's creating differentiation between Ubuntu and other debian-type distributions and he's potentially mapping out a route to new platforms.

It does seem like he might be a gambling man though.

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