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Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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Post by mahmud »

guest wrote: post #2

I have a worry of this turning out very badly.

Wayland uses OpenGL ES for rendering, preparing Ubuntu for handsets.

Ubuntu must be eying a future alongside Android, which is an excellent bet.

There have been many attempts at X replacement, all well justified, and if Wayland is the best of them, it would still be better than the baroque X protocol.

Like almost every C++ programmer working in the early 00s, I too hacked on Berlin :-|

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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mahmud wrote: post #3
guest wrote: post #2

I have a worry of this turning out very badly.

Wayland uses OpenGL ES for rendering, preparing Ubuntu for handsets. Ubuntu must be eying a future alongside Android, which is an excellent bet. There have been many attempts at X replacement, all well justified, and if Wayland is the best of them, it would still be better than the baroque X protocol. Like almost every C++ programmer working in the early 00s, I too hacked on Berlin :-|

The idea of Wayland growing and becoming a more usable platform sound terrific. The troubling part about this is ubuntu's history of doing what's good for ubuntu.

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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Post by sgt »

I have no worries about this. Linux distributions always do a couple of releases of "disasters", (e.g. KDE 4) before it starts becoming stable.

Wayland is theoretically superior and with iteration after iteration, I'm sure it's going to come out on top. Just don't be one of the early adopters, but that's a given when it comes to Ubuntu, in my experience (unless you really do like the risks involved with cutting edge software).

The truth is, X is just too old fashioned and it's like trying to spend time maintaining an old car from the 1970s instead of just buying a new car with electronic fuel injection and excellent brakes.

Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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Post by [deleted] »

guest wrote: post #4
mahmud wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wayland uses OpenGL ES for rendering, preparing Ubuntu for handsets. Ubuntu must be eying a future alongside Android, which is an excellent bet. There have been many attempts at X replacement, all well justified, and if Wayland is the best of them, it would still be better than the baroque X protocol. Like almost every C++ programmer working in the early 00s, I too hacked on Berlin :-|

The idea of Wayland growing and becoming a more usable platform sound terrific. The troubling part about this is ubuntu's history of doing what's good for ubuntu.

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Re: Ubuntu To Ditch X Server For Wayland

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Post by _delirium »

mahmud wrote: post #3
guest wrote: post #2

I have a worry of this turning out very badly.

Wayland uses OpenGL ES for rendering, preparing Ubuntu for handsets. Ubuntu must be eying a future alongside Android, which is an excellent bet. There have been many attempts at X replacement, all well justified, and if Wayland is the best of them, it would still be better than the baroque X protocol. Like almost every C++ programmer working in the early 00s, I too hacked on Berlin :-|

This seems less ambitious than Berlin in a lot of ways. One big difference is that Berlin aimed for network transparency (like X, but ideally done even better), while Wayland is local-only. That might simplify enough things to make it more likely to succeed.

For me personally, now that nx makes X's network transparency actually usable, I'm not in a big hurry to go back to a non-network-transparent windowing system with a screenscraper like VNC layered on top. But I could see that not mattering for a lot of users, so it's probably the right choice.

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