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What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why this post is getting down-voted aside from people not liking what it says (perhaps how it says it?). Nothing it stated was factually inaccurate or unjustified. You really aren't Facebook's customer - no money is exchanged for services rendered.

I’m guessing because the expectation of privacy thing isn’t nearly as settled as the GP makes it out to be, and depends partly on how the public views such interactions — but the entire rant is deeply based on that point, which it aggressively and baldly asserts. In short, because it doesn’t have much substance and may actually be counter-productive.

The "expectation of privacy" really is quite settled. It's about marketing, not reality. Thinking FB will treat your "private data" as yours rather than theirs is about as realistic as watching a beer commercial and thinking that if you drink that brand of beer, beautiful women will find you more attractive.

It's about as "isn't nearly as settled" as the question of whether Santa Claus is real. Just because there's a guy in a red suit at the mall and you got presents every year doesn't mean there's an actual jolly elf flying around in his sleigh handing the best presents to the richest kids. So yes, there's an illusion of "privacy". Your private data is private from your peers, who are just as much a product as you are. But it is never going to be private from Facebook's actual customers.

Market forces are relentless and amoral. This doesn't mean they're immoral, that they're evil. It just means they will not make an effort to be good, either. Facebook doesn't exist to facilitate communication and share cat videos. It facilitates communication in order to serve its actual purpose, which is to collect large amounts of valuable personal data from as many individuals as possible, in order to sell that data to companies that want to sell products to targeted individuals.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Honestly, I hope they do! Simply put, the company is ethically bankrupt and deserve to be made an example of how not to run a social network. You can't go selling peoples private messages to Netflix (the sheer audacity of that just blows my mind!). You can't allow peoples private data to be sold to data analytics firms that are trying to sway elections. Facebook is built on the belief that people don't need privacy a…

> I hope people continue migrating to http://MeWe.com

LOL, no. From company to another company, because this time, it will be different! (Hey there, https://ello.co ! )

Get your own thing. WordPess with webmentions, Mastodon, Gnusocial, SSBC, anything, but it really, really shouldn't be a single unit controlled thing.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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post #77

The New York Times Technology section really wants me to delete my Facebook account. https://imgur.com/a/fV6WKun Is this content organization personalized? Or are they serving this to everyone?

It's hard not to suspect that there is at least some personal vendetta involved here from the media. Facebook destroyed a lot of the business models which were already reeling in the internet age.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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I think they are like a bank or big tobacco. Too big to fail. They have 2 billion users. Supposed someone came up with a new search engine better than google. You can go switch to that and it wouldn't be too hard. For a new social network you would need all you friends too switch too. How is grandma going to share her grand kids pics.

While that is to an extent a hindrance, it is also an opening.

Social groups in real life are relatively contained. Facebook just mushes it all together. This is one of the few things Google+ got right, with asymmetric relationships and ease of controlling who sees what.

While Google+ "failed", that's the attack angle I'd take if I wanted to go after Facebook: Look for ways to let people better limit sharing, to encourage deeper sharing. To truly get that right you need to also let people manage separate identities.

Though really, I'd like to see more decentralised approaches to take over.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Can't". I do not think that word means what you think it means. Of course they can, both technically and legally. Ethical sketchiness has never been a consideration for giant corporations before, why should it be now? You are not Facebook's customer. You are their product. You have no expectation of privacy for anything you post to Facebook, whether or not it's "private".

"Can't" there was presumably meant as an ethical or moral statement, or as an imperative, not as a description of possibility. In the same way that "must" can either mean that something is inevitable, or mean that it is imperative.

I'll freely admit I'm loud about it because people saying "can't" to mean "won't" or "shouldn't" is a pet peeve of mine. It's misusing language to elevate personal decisions to logical imperatives ("I'm sorry, I can't come to your party"), or moral grey areas to moral black and white ("Facebook can't sell your data to other corporations!").

It's misleading and it shouldn't be used that way. Can't be used that way, even...

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Can't" there was presumably meant as an ethical or moral statement, or as an imperative, not as a description of possibility. In the same way that "must" can either mean that something is inevitable, or mean that it is imperative.

I'll freely admit I'm loud about it because people saying "can't" to mean "won't" or "shouldn't" is a pet peeve of mine. It's misusing language to elevate personal decisions to logical imperatives ("I'm sorry, I can't come to your party"), or moral grey areas to moral black and white ("Facebook can't sell your data to other corporations!"). It's misleading and it shouldn't be used that way. Can't be used that way, ev…

Meh, using shouldn't wouldn't have the same rhetorical impact. It's similar to the phrase "Can't complain.". Sure you could say "Shouldn't complain".. but it doesn't work.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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I miss Myspace, it was way less creepy and IMHO led to much more meaningful communication.

Myspace was very poorly implemented. Slow, often even displaying errors on some pages. The social network I miss is Mixi, which was a sort of proto-Facebook around in the early 2000s (in Japan and Japanese only). Mixi had some really interesting features like being able to see who had browsed your account. (To be fair Mixi still exists, but they kind of died when FB became popular, as well as putting itself out of bu…

Myspace wasn't even meant to be a social networking site when it started. When I registered all the domains initially, there were hundreds of variants of "myspace, mylinuxspace, mywindowsspace, mydesktopspace" and such. It was supposed to be the box.com of the time. There was an app you installed and created an "X:" drive.

They had a couple HP SureStore arrays.. I forgot how much storage exactly, but they were about 19TB comprised of 9 and 18 GB drives in raid 50 or 51. There was no de-duplication and basically it was the same few hundred megs of music, animated gifs and porn over and over again.

They didn't make any money and sold everything to some news company. Even then, it was quite a while before it started to take shape as a social networking site.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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post #94

I think they are like a bank or big tobacco. Too big to fail. They have 2 billion users. Supposed someone came up with a new search engine better than google. You can go switch to that and it wouldn't be too hard. For a new social network you would need all you friends too switch too. How is grandma going to share her grand kids pics.

While that is to an extent a hindrance, it is also an opening. Social groups in real life are relatively contained. Facebook just mushes it all together. This is one of the few things Google+ got right, with asymmetric relationships and ease of controlling who sees what. While Google+ "failed", that's the attack angle I'd take if I wanted to go after Facebook: Look for ways to let people better limit sharing, to enco…

I think most people she want to share a pic and tag their friends. I don't think people want something so complicated.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the solution is to move to another service who may or may not abuse by his position in the future?

The only solution is probably a move to open standard for social networking with multiple implementations and multiple instances of each implementation.

Don't want to sound defeatist because I do think it is a good idea, but: The great thing about distributed social networking standards is that there are so many different ones to choose from[0]. We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use case[1]. Even then there would be a risk that one dominant player would emerge and embrace, extend and extinguish the open standards[2].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_software_and_pro...

[1] https://xkcd.com/927/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only solution is probably a move to open standard for social networking with multiple implementations and multiple instances of each implementation.

Don't want to sound defeatist because I do think it is a good idea, but: The great thing about distributed social networking standards is that there are so many different ones to choose from[0]. We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use case[1]. Even then there would be a risk that one dominant player would emerge and embrace, extend and extinguish the open standards[2]. [0] https://en.wiki…

I'm old enough to remember pre-Web hypertext systems and pre-SMTP email systems - so I live in hope....
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