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What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Post by FakeComments »

berdon wrote: post #78
beat wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Can't". I do not think that word means what you think it means. Of course they can, both technically and legally. Ethical sketchiness has never been a consideration for giant corporations before, why should it be now? You are not Facebook's customer. You are their product. You have no expectation of privacy for anything you post to Facebook, whether or not it's "private".

I'm not sure why this post is getting down-voted aside from people not liking what it says (perhaps how it says it?). Nothing it stated was factually inaccurate or unjustified. You really aren't Facebook's customer - no money is exchanged for services rendered.

I’m guessing because the expectation of privacy thing isn’t nearly as settled as the GP makes it out to be, and depends partly on how the public views such interactions — but the entire rant is deeply based on that point, which it aggressively and baldly asserts.

In short, because it doesn’t have much substance and may actually be counter-productive.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Post by arethuza »

AndrewSChapman wrote: post #64

Honestly, I hope they do! Simply put, the company is ethically bankrupt and deserve to be made an example of how not to run a social network. You can't go selling peoples private messages to Netflix (the sheer audacity of that just blows my mind!). You can't allow peoples private data to be sold to data analytics firms that are trying to sway elections. Facebook is built on the belief that people don't need privacy a…

"zero ads"

So how do they make money?

Edit: They are doing the freemium model - its in their FAQ https://mewe.com/faq

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Post by solarkraft »

ada1981 wrote: post #5
bildung wrote: post #4

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Wouldn't it be easy for you to post an example of the article being wrong, then? Otherwise it looks like you have a personal agenda against the new york times.

Haven’t you heard? Even the esteemed President of the United States acknowledges the problem with the NYT.

I usually assume that the opposite of what he says is true.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Post by samfisher83 »

I think they are like a bank or big tobacco. Too big to fail. They have 2 billion users. Supposed someone came up with a new search engine better than google. You can go switch to that and it wouldn't be too hard. For a new social network you would need all you friends too switch too. How is grandma going to share her grand kids pics.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Post by arethuza »

tzfld wrote: post #74
AndrewSChapman wrote: post #64

Honestly, I hope they do! Simply put, the company is ethically bankrupt and deserve to be made an example of how not to run a social network. You can't go selling peoples private messages to Netflix (the sheer audacity of that just blows my mind!). You can't allow peoples private data to be sold to data analytics firms that are trying to sway elections. Facebook is built on the belief that people don't need privacy a…

Do you think the solution is to move to another service who may or may not abuse by his position in the future?

The only solution is probably a move to open standard for social networking with multiple implementations and multiple instances of each implementation.

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Post by Zelphyr »

revskill wrote: post #16

Facebook open sourced many useful libraries, and it's what matters to me first. Secondly, as a user, it has problem, just like any company.

So it’s ok that they repeatedly, and in the sole interest of their bottom line, violate their users privacy (that they explicitly claim to protect and care about btw) and allow unscrupulous groups and governments to use that data to manipulate masses of people in ways nobody has ever dreamed of because... they gave away some lines of code?!

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Post by maire »

flexie wrote: post #43
pavlov wrote: post #11

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Facebook today is in the same place as Microsoft in 2003-2007. Bad old API decisions made in pursuit of quick marketshare have come back to haunt. The main product is seen as lackluster and stagnated. Entries into new markets are seen as "me too" and out of sync with the brand image (Portal and Lasso might be Facebook's Zune). Microsoft survived all that and is now the world's most valuable corporation again. Faceboo…

Facebook is far from where Microsoft were in 2003-2007. Most people (90-something percent?) could chose between Microsoft or Apple or no computer at all. Ordinary consumers could not use a text editor, a spreadsheet, send an email, or browse the internet, without doing it form either a Windows or Apple computer. Apple was a secluded niche for graphical designers and the like. Almost everybody else used a Windows comp…

Sorry - but Facebook made it trivially easy for a small group to put up a website. This is why we depend on it more than you realize. You can go to a Facebook based business site without having a Facebook account.

I try not to use Facebook. I had to let my family and friends know because they are setting up party invitations and making announcements on Facebook. OK - so far so good. They post on Facebook then send me a private message.

Then the camp fire happened in California (the Paradise fire). My brother in law's house burned and he is staying with us. He is not technically literate. Butte county is putting all disaster recovery information and streaming town hall meetings through Facebook! So I am back on Facebook to help my brother in law rebuild his home!

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Post by grecy »

chillacy wrote: post #54
grecy wrote: post #15

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> There are plenty of examples of companies facing a saturated market Globally though? Are there companies that have saturated the entire planet. Facebook use is BOOMING in the developing world. I've been moving around Africa though 30 countries for 2.5 yeas now - it's rare to meet someone that doesn't have Facebook and whatsapp.

Coca Cola and McDonald’s maybe?

Coca Cola I'll give you a maybe, McDonald's? Hardly. It's only in a couple of the 54 countries in Africa.

KFC is in a lot more, but still only a small fraction.

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Post by AndrewSChapman »

dominotw wrote: post #69
AndrewSChapman wrote: post #64

Honestly, I hope they do! Simply put, the company is ethically bankrupt and deserve to be made an example of how not to run a social network. You can't go selling peoples private messages to Netflix (the sheer audacity of that just blows my mind!). You can't allow peoples private data to be sold to data analytics firms that are trying to sway elections. Facebook is built on the belief that people don't need privacy a…

> I hope people continue migrating to http://MeWe.com which has a clear privacy bill of rights at its core and zero ads. It makes money in a far more traditional approach by charging for "pages" and extended emotions etc. What is the guarantee that they stick to this and not got FB route later. Why should I trust "Sgrouples Inc."?

If they changed it would be suicide. Their whole raison d'être is around privacy and no censorship.

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Post by eloisant »

AndrewSChapman wrote: post #64

Honestly, I hope they do! Simply put, the company is ethically bankrupt and deserve to be made an example of how not to run a social network. You can't go selling peoples private messages to Netflix (the sheer audacity of that just blows my mind!). You can't allow peoples private data to be sold to data analytics firms that are trying to sway elections. Facebook is built on the belief that people don't need privacy a…

The Facebook brand is tainted, but they can still pull an "Alphabet" and rename the company to protect Instagram, Whatsapp, Occulus, and still have a very successful company.

They can even launch a new social network, pretend it's different and make it easy to switch from Facebook...

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