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Go look at the account: http://twitter.com/ai_agw It's not one of his accounts, it's a spam bot. A tongue in cheek, funny pictures, really obvious to computer scientist 'hey I'm a bot' account, but it's still a twitter spam bot. And the bot is auto replying to random people's tweets. It clearly says so in the article.
> It's not one of his accounts, it's a spam bot. It is a twitter account. He has the password to it, and presumerably no one else does. That makes it his twitter account.
Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense
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I've been fascinated with the idea of an ocean arcology being built in shallow waters and instead of starting 'ground' up, but simply start construction of several concrete boat foundations. When positioned, simply continue constructing. As the boat gets taller, it will displace to a greater depth until it eventually hits the ocean floor. It would be a very modular way to construct an ocean city. Get them within 500m…
I hang with old ship guys and all of the 'underwater archology' ideas seem to be presented by folks with little real life experience with oceans. Sea water is incredibly powerful and corrosive. Just watch the shoreline, if not maintained someplaces you'll see a huge bolder up out of place and you think "it took a huge crane to put that there" but no, just a storm.
I'd point you to the Maunsell Sea Forts. Every single one has survived ~70 years in the open ocean, the ones that haven't were plowed into by boats.
My suggestion is specifically to be a giant sea fort, and to build inside of the column and above it. My idea would be to go ridiculously large and create a second interior wall after sinking as a sort of levy from the true interior in case the exterior is damaged.
I think a good 100 year zero-maintenance survival of an ocean arcology is amazing. Beyond initial construction the idea would be to expand and build a harbor, which would further expand the lifetime by taking any mechanical wear off of the main structure and place it onto the harbor walls.
Furthermore, if you had a crane on one of the towers (which would be mandatory if you're building as you go) it would be a simple matter to move soil around in the water to create an artificial reef.
The real problem would come with what materials to use for construction of the rest of the arcology. If you go with steel, it means you're going to require a lot of maintenance because of the sea air. It has longevity, (think all oil rigs) however it won't last forever. However, if you go with aluminum it will genuinely last for ever. The oxidization rate for aluminum is pitifully small (I work with it, I know, we remove 3/16ths aluminum that has only begun chalking after 40 years - which is the coloring coming off, the metal itself is like new). However, you'll never be able to use steel on the structure in the presence of salt water. Even insulating them won't work if the joints are capable of being covered in ocean spray as the galvanic reaction will eat the aluminum as aluminum is used as a sacrificial anode for steel.
Impressed Current could be used, but that would mean electrifying your entire superstructure, which would defeat the point of making your arcology survivable.
Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense
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If someone comes up to me and informs me that "XYZ is wrong!", and I refer him to several books on the subject, how am I being anti-science? I'm reminded of a friend's story back in undergrad. His lab TA told everyone "See that stuffed bear of there? That's Mr. Cuddles. If you have a question, ask Mr. Cuddles first. Then if he can't help you, ask a real TA." What the AI_bot is dealing with is automatic handling of a…
You are being anti-science because you don't know or understand the science, you're just giving them citations that are completely irrelevant to the question at hand. This has been my experience with global warming advocates- they believe what they believe and they have links to papers that they have never read to justify their faith.
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#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone comes up to me and informs me that "XYZ is wrong!", and I refer him to several books on the subject, how am I being anti-science? I'm reminded of a friend's story back in undergrad. His lab TA told everyone "See that stuffed bear of there? That's Mr. Cuddles. If you have a question, ask Mr. Cuddles first. Then if he can't help you, ask a real TA." What the AI_bot is dealing with is automatic handling of a…
You are being anti-science because you don't know or understand the science, you're just giving them citations that are completely irrelevant to the question at hand. This has been my experience with global warming advocates- they believe what they believe and they have links to papers that they have never read to justify their faith.
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone comes up to me and informs me that "XYZ is wrong!", and I refer him to several books on the subject, how am I being anti-science? I'm reminded of a friend's story back in undergrad. His lab TA told everyone "See that stuffed bear of there? That's Mr. Cuddles. If you have a question, ask Mr. Cuddles first. Then if he can't help you, ask a real TA." What the AI_bot is dealing with is automatic handling of a…
You are being anti-science because you don't know or understand the science, you're just giving them citations that are completely irrelevant to the question at hand. This has been my experience with global warming advocates- they believe what they believe and they have links to papers that they have never read to justify their faith.
Re: Chatbot Wears Down Proponents of Anti-Science Nonsense
#216Let me see if I understand this correctly. Some programmer assumes that he is right and others are wrong, so he writes a bot to chase down people he might disagree with and bombard them with one-liners. And Technology Review thinks this is behavior worth promoting? I suspect the reason is that they agree with the programmer. Try it out for a bit with the roles reversed. Doesn't feel quite the same, huh? ADD: The assu…
I imagine it has to do with political correctness, but it seems there is an undercurrent on HN of treating all opinions as equally valid? Even if both sides of the argument are incorrect, if the second opinion was formed through rigorous scientific investigation and represents and the best understanding that we currently have, why should we treat it equally with the opinion that was not developed through any sort of…
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I sure wish you would actually respond to the arguments, maybe make salient points. Instead of simply snidely characterizing everyone who doesn't agree with your ideology. Also: It reflects on the nature of hacker news that the snotty response has upvotes.
You have yet to provide any arguments. Snide and snotty counterfactual statements are what you have provided.
That's not 'snotty and counterfactual'. Respond to it.
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I am not talking about beliefs there. The main point why discussion about the need of change started is this: > "To me the fundamental problem was that when the error > was found it was handled in a totally and utterly > atrocious manner ". IPCC is a political organization, not scientific.
Why are you discussing the author of the report and not its contents?
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>The real problem with the way you're arguing is that most of the meta-critiques that you've offered about the way mainstream climate change scientists act read almost exactly the same as the anti-evolution arguments that biologists have been assaulted with for decades. So what? In both cases people are claiming some party should fundamentally alter how they live (perhaps implicitly in the case of evolution) and/or w…
That makes no sense at all. Arguments are meaningless because they are used too much? Utterly illogical, have I misunderstood something here? Maybe I didn't make my point very clearly, and you're right, as stated that's not really what I mean. What I was trying to get at is that topical debates where one side disagrees with the scientific consensus typically degenerate rather quickly into complaints about the scienti…
Fair enough but if incredibly impacting changes are being demanded based on this process then I think it merits a more thorough look than things that have less consequence if wrong.
>has a very similar tone to the arguments about evolution
For similar reasons. If one is to accept the complete evolution story that invalidates larges parts of the bible. Apologists can try to say those parts don't mean what they seem to say but a lot of people won't be happy with such an explanation because once you start that how can you know which parts do apply? The one's that haven't been refuted yet?
There is also a deserved level of skepticism on the (complete) subject of evolution because the loudest voices paint a picture of things that the science doesn't actually reflect (I'll spare us both further details to hopefully avoid this rabbit hole).
>Hmm, I suspect a lot of Less Wrong-ers would disagree with you there
A lot of people would disagree with me there, but personally I find it because they are unable to persuade. Their arguments, no matter how compelling, were not enough to sway what ever intended audience so they claim the other side is cheating. If the other side is pushing some snake oil theory as an alternative then perhaps they are, but if they're just not completely convinced then I think that's fair. We've had a very complete picture of gravity, only to find it was incomplete a couple of times now, for example.
>the entire philosophy of that site is based around the idea (one that I find very defensible) that we should usually be thinking statistically instead of right/wrong, and even if we can't know something for sure in the face of uncertainty, any pair of people that are thinking rationally and honestly should, in time, be able to at least agree on likelihood ratios between different possible outcomes by recursing through all the relevant priors and settling discrepancies that way.
The issue I have with the "rationalism" movement I'm seeing a lot of lately is that it seems to me that revolutionaries would have less opportunities in such a system. If you must believe the thing that is thought by consensus to have the highest probability of being true then the only way you could ever happen on something radical yet more correct in the end would be if you were pursuing something else that followed consensus but eventually contradicted another consensus-approved theory (e.g. this seems to happen a fair amount with quantum mechanics).
How many break-throughs have we had by people who simply didn't buy the consensus and looked for an alternative point of view? Weren't such people "irrational" until they ended up to appear more correct?
>For instance, if someone was honestly arguing that special relativity was wrong with an X% probability,
For me a good example of what I mean is dark matter. An Israeli scientist apparently didn't buy dark matter so he went out and discovered that the gravitational formula seems to just change at some distance. Of course people called him a heretic and such but as far as I know he hasn't been contradicted to this day. His findings could actually be related to dark matter some how, or total coincidence but it's possible that he could end up being right and everything we've invested in dark matter could turn out to have been chasing ghosts (I'm not going to assign probabilities on these two possibilities :).
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>You will also understand just how strong the evidence for GW is. Here by GW I presume you mean Man made GW. In that case, many of the proponents are also ignorant of how strong (or not) the evidence is. They simply assume that the people paid to know, do. That's not a valid assumption.
Look, here's the thing. We know that CO2 absorbs light energy in the frequencies reflected by the Earth more than the frequencies that arrive from the sun. That is, any CO2 that you have in your atmosphere is going to lead to an increase in the rate of absorbtion of energy from the sun on a planetary scale. The spectrum of Earth's reflected light has been confirmed by satellites, the absorbtion spectrum of CO2 has be…
And my point with the post you responded to was simply to point out that there is a lot of claims being made by people ignorant on the subject from both sides.