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Jack Ma: US wasted trillions on warfare instead of investing in infrastructure

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Re: Jack Ma: US wasted trillions on warfare instead of investing in infrastructure

#41
OK, Jack Ma, what if USA wasn't strong enough to be feared by others? What would we have? War. Pax Americana is probably a great investment, others might want to be thankful (up to a point) as peace has lifted all boats.

Plus, that $14 Trillion was invested in US companies, granted military leaning ones but still the money was put back in our economy. And USA sold and will sell a lot of weapons because of that R & D

Re: Jack Ma: US wasted trillions on warfare instead of investing in infrastructure

#42
This is so true. I went to Shanghai about 3 summers ago right when Denver was finishing up the "A Line" train from Downtown to the Airport. This project cost over a billion dollars and the damn thing can't run smoothly or stay operational. Tons of issues. Meanwhile we took the Maglev train from the Pudong Airport to the Shanghai City Center. The Maglev cost $1.2 billion dollars [1]. The train can travel up to 270 MPH [1]; it takes about 15 minutes to get from the Airport to the city. The Denver train? 45 minutes, goes somewhere around 45 MPH for $1.1 billion dollars [2]. The train in China goes 6x faster then the Denver train.

[1] http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/go_east_young_man/2005/03...

[2] https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2016/05/31/otoole-takin...

Re: Jack Ma: US wasted trillions on warfare instead of investing in infrastructure

#43
post #30

So is the 178 billion china has spent this year which is also growing faster than the US [0] also wasted then? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army#Mil...

Not necessarily. It's a reasonable model, and claim, that there exists some optimal amount of military spending. It's also a reasonable claim (at the very least in retrospect) that the US would have done better had it used the trillions of dollars it spend between 2000-present on education/health/infrastructure over Iraq etc.

Re: Jack Ma: US wasted trillions on warfare instead of investing in infrastructure

#44
US military spending was at over 600 billion dollars in 2017. This is more than a third of worldwide military spending. It is also more than the combined spending of at least China, Saudi, Russia, India, the UK, France, and Japan.

See the wikipedia page on military expenditures for budget estimates and their sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_...

Re: Jack Ma: US wasted trillions on warfare instead of investing in infrastructure

#46

Much of the defense spending has been largely a jobs program that employs thousands of people

How about we employ construction workers and engineers to build stuff that makes America truly "Great" again instead of this crap about lets build better bombs

Re: Jack Ma: US wasted trillions on warfare instead of investing in infrastructure

#47

Much of the defense spending has been largely a jobs program that employs thousands of people

> Much of the defense spending has been largely a jobs program that employs thousands of people

More accurately, it's been a subsidy to the capitalists controlling particular corporations, with strategic distribution of jobs among Congressional districts as political cover (or hostages, depending on how you look at it.)

Re: Jack Ma: US wasted trillions on warfare instead of investing in infrastructure

#49
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone from the US who has flown overseas to modern, industrialized countries in the past decades will note the aging look of the US. Given overall industrial and cultural trends, why wouldn't everyone just keep building new stuff every 15 years? This would certainly fit the Chinese regime's policy of increasing GDP. (We'll have to crack the problem of carbon neutral concrete sometime.)

"Anyone from the US who has flown overseas to modern, industrialized countries in the past decades will note the aging look of the US" True. Whenever I get visitors from Germany they always comment on how run down a lot of parts of the US look.

I was in Stuttgart in 2001 or so. If that's what a 1st world country looks like, I'm starting to worry about the US.

Re: Jack Ma: US wasted trillions on warfare instead of investing in infrastructure

#50

OK, Jack Ma, what if USA wasn't strong enough to be feared by others? What would we have? War. Pax Americana is probably a great investment, others might want to be thankful (up to a point) as peace has lifted all boats. Plus, that $14 Trillion was invested in US companies, granted military leaning ones but still the money was put back in our economy. And USA sold and will sell a lot of weapons because of that R & D

Do you call the situation in the Middle Ease peace? Not saying that it's the US's fault ...
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