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AIVA – Music Engine

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Re: AIVA – Music Engine

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Post by byproxy »

I consider myself a music creator. I signed up for the beta.

I'm ambivalent about the idea of "AI"-assisted creative production and the trend toward homogenization.

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Post by phmagic »

I love this tech!

However a more painful problem it was solve for me is putting non-copyrighted sound tracks in my videos. I'd pay for royalty-free music generated on-demand.

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Post by zozbot123 »

Note that the orchestration on the available AIVA tracks is (at least as far as one can tell) entirely manual. Even the music itself may well be more like the result of a process involving both the 'AI' and the human producer, than something truly generated 'end to end',[1] free of manual intervention! (Not that there's anything wrong with the former; it might be the best way of ending up with a truly compelling and impressive end-product!)

(I don't quite recall off-hand if it was these folks or someone else who claimed to have fed their AI a corpus of tens of thousands of classical pieces in "digitized sheet music" form as part of the training process - something that would be a treasure trove for academic music corpus studies, if it existed!)

[1] End-to-end systems do exist, and their output is quite interesting, but in a "quirky, weird but it actually sounds nice" way - sorts of like the musical analog of the DeepDream doggie pictures. Arguably the most successful (of the ones that are openly available) is "Hexahedria"/Daniel Johnson's "biaxial music composition" (aka "tied parallel networks") project, which was featured here before. The "BachBot" and "DeepBach" projects also deserve mention, but their scope is rather limited as their names suggest.

Re: AIVA – Music Engine

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Post by byproxy »

zozbot123 wrote: post #4

Note that the orchestration on the available AIVA tracks is (at least as far as one can tell) entirely manual. Even the music itself may well be more like the result of a process involving both the 'AI' and the human producer, than something truly generated 'end to end',[1] free of manual intervention! (Not that there's anything wrong with the former; it might be the best way of ending up with a truly compelling and…

I'm sure you know about it, but IMSLP (https://imslp.org/) has quite a few scores from which they could pull.

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Post by inetsee »

zozbot123 wrote: post #4

Note that the orchestration on the available AIVA tracks is (at least as far as one can tell) entirely manual. Even the music itself may well be more like the result of a process involving both the 'AI' and the human producer, than something truly generated 'end to end',[1] free of manual intervention! (Not that there's anything wrong with the former; it might be the best way of ending up with a truly compelling and…

I am very interested in the "freestyle" model of chess, where one or more human players are paired with one or more chess engines to form a team, playing against other teams. This model has demonstrated that these teams can play stronger chess than either the human players or the chess engines.

I believe that this same model can be applied to many more creative applications, including music. A lot of the pure AI creative applications I've seen still have a long way to go before they get close to what talented human creatives can do.

Re: AIVA – Music Engine

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Post by zozbot123 »

byproxy wrote: post #5
zozbot123 wrote: post #4

Note that the orchestration on the available AIVA tracks is (at least as far as one can tell) entirely manual. Even the music itself may well be more like the result of a process involving both the 'AI' and the human producer, than something truly generated 'end to end',[1] free of manual intervention! (Not that there's anything wrong with the former; it might be the best way of ending up with a truly compelling and…

I'm sure you know about it, but IMSLP ( https://imslp.org/ ) has quite a few scores from which they could pull.

These are not "digitized" in the relevant sense, though. The OpenScore project (https://www.openscore.cc ) makes it quite clear what is meant by that. And it's hard work, though in principle some AI engine of a very different sort might be able to help with it.

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Post by byproxy »

zozbot123 wrote: post #7
byproxy wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you know about it, but IMSLP ( https://imslp.org/ ) has quite a few scores from which they could pull.

These are not "digitized" in the relevant sense, though. The OpenScore project ( https://www.openscore.cc ) makes it quite clear what is meant by that. And it's hard work, though in principle some AI engine of a very different sort might be able to help with it.

Ah, I see. So, some kind of OCR for sheet music, then?

Re: AIVA – Music Engine

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Post by maximp »

I spent 5 minutes going through your website, and am still confused about what you do.

> Music Engine / AI at the service of Composers

> The most ambitious composers create memorable and uniquely personalized scores. Our Music Engine was built to scale and supercharge your creative process.

This made me think that your tools would help me compose. However, the demos seem to show music just being created at the click of a button. Is this a tool for composers (and if so, how?) or a tool for users who'd otherwise go to stock music libraries?

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