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As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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How Zuck doesn't seem smart? Have you seen " the social network " If you have to make assumption, let me make another data supported assumption, Zuck is Ashkenazi Jew, statistically he's got probability of having more IQ than a person belonging to some other ethinic group. /sarcasm Anyways, what makes you think he's not smart?

>How Zuck doesn't seem smart? Have you seen " the social network " Because watching Zuckerberg played by someone else in a dramatized Hollywood film is a great way to tell if he is smart.

Watch Zuck testifying in Capital Hill and contrast it with "The Social Network", he really acts the same way everywhere.

The movie is correct potryal of his character.

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Hopefully from Federal prison with a life sentence. Literally billions of times he and his execs, managers, and engineers have violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, Electronic Communications Privacy Act, Federal Wiretap Act, and more.

Facebook could be considered as a strategic military asset, as it is capable of quite accurately mapping people around the world. Relationships between people in Iran, same place same time, same IP, ghost profiles... If you were the CIA, wouldn’t you work on protecting/ preventing such people from having a trial?

How does that saying go?

"If you owe the bank a million dollars, the bank owns you. If you owe the bank a billion dollars, you own the bank."

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“Among the revelations was that Facebook obtained data from multiple partners for a controversial friend-suggestion tool called “People You May Know.” The feature, introduced in 2008, continues even though some Facebook users have objected to it, unsettled by its knowledge of their real-world relationships. Gizmodo and other news outlets have reported cases of the tool’s recommending friend connections between patien…

> Gizmodo and other news outlets have reported cases of the tool’s recommending friend connections between patients of the same psychiatrist, estranged family members, and a harasser and his victim.

Geez, and I thought I was annoyed with mere former bosses showing up who I didn't part on good terms with

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I'm so glad I left that place. I always had concerns but I had no idea the greed and abuse of users was so entrenched. Working in infra you don't find out about this kind of stuff.

It's fine for sharing publicly-palatable things with friends and family members.

I wouldn't conduct anything on it that you'd care to keep secret, though.

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#175

Would MZ ever face criminal charges?

> Would MZ ever face criminal charges? He's lied to Congress. He's lied to half of Europe. (Or blown them off.) He's knowingly directed the violation of a federal consent decree and several EU directives. He presides over a platform profiting from mass atrocities in multiple countries. There's plenty to go after him with. The only things protecting him are his standing and lack of unexpected criminality.

Evidence that he's lied to those entities?

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#176

It’s crazy that there ever is/was an endpoint to read a user’s private messages. What exactly would ever be a good use case for that where a user would knowingly agree to it.

Did you know that every single email you've ever sent was readable by every single mail delivery agent in between?

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> The social network allowed Microsoft’s Bing search engine to see the names of virtually all Facebook users’ friends without consent, the records show, and gave Netflix and Spotify the ability to read Facebook users’ private messages. > The social network permitted Amazon to obtain users’ names and contact information through their friends, and it let Yahoo view streams of friends’ posts as recently as this summer,…

I guess this sort of defeats the purpose of switching from Google search to Bing over privacy concerns.

duckduckgo works really well. For some topics google is better, but for 95% ddg do the job as a day to day standard search engine. And those times you need google, it is very simple just to add !g bang to get the google search results. With ddg you get better privacy and dont end up in googles filter bubble. More should try it out.

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I always wonder about the engineers at Facebook who implemented a feature like this. Someone like me, more or less. Did they stop to wonder why they were being told to bypass user privacy preferences? Did they raise any internal questions about ethics? Did any of them consider becoming a whistleblower? Or perhaps everyone who works for Facebook is convinced this kind of data sharing is OK?

Most likely why they aggressively hire college grads and keep the developer workforce young. I doubt they teach corporate ethics in any comp sci program.

Most of the young people getting hired by FAANG are grads from big name schools so they've most definitely taken one or two ethics courses.

I think we're just seeing 22 year olds' ethics are collapsing when they're given $150k/year straight out of school.

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If someone in their 20s doesn't know much about ethics, then we're doing something wrong, as a society.

I'd imagine the issue is more that a recent graduate doesn't necessarily know when or how much to push back

It may also be futile to try to have a meaningful concept and practice of professional ethics without professional autonomy.

The ABA and AMA take a lot of heat here on HN and other libertarian-leaning forums, and some of it is deserved, since they clearly do engage in cartel-like behavior.

However, it is important to remember that they have established a set of laws and practices that give the members of the profession the ability to resist unethical commands from "superiors". For example, generally speaking, a non-lawyer can't own a law firm. Same for physicians. A lawyer must be licensed to practice, and that right can be revoked. A lawyer isn't allowed to say "my boss made me do it", but at the same time, a lawyer can't have a non-lawyer boss, and that boss can't legally go hire someone who isn't a lawyer (and isn't bound by a code of ethics) to do it instead.

I want to be clear that I'm aware that in reality, it doesn't come close to working out this neatly. But the conceptual framework, at least, is there.

I do think programmers are in an untenable position, when they are stripped of any professional strength but called on to resist unethical demands of clients and bosses. And yeah, I do mean stripped, not just denied. A large section of the programming workforce is employed under visa conditions where their employer controls their right to live and work in the US, as well as their position in a very long queue for a green card application. So we aren't just ordinary workers with no special protections but no special liabilities either, we are often a workforce that is particularly vulnerable and unable to push back against the orders of people who aren't ethical and aren't part of our "profession".

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#180

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Of course it is. I agree with your comment. I also think FB is the work of secret services, from its inception to the present day. I've seen Zuck talk, and he doesn't strike me as a specially smart guy. But he's young and always smiling, shows enthusiasm and that's what people need. It's a nice cover.

How Zuck doesn't seem smart? Have you seen " the social network " If you have to make assumption, let me make another data supported assumption, Zuck is Ashkenazi Jew, statistically he's got probability of having more IQ than a person belonging to some other ethinic group. /sarcasm Anyways, what makes you think he's not smart?

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