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As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Boy, if you think the amount of data FB sells is creepy, wait until you find out how much information your insurance provider sells, or your cell phone provider, or your credit card provider, or your health provider... If you ever get in a car accident in the United States don't be surprised to get mail the very next day from accident insurance attorneys because you bet every service you use is selling every aspect o…

Is this reply meant to be for me? It doesn't seem specifically relevant.

Facebook isn't tapping your phones microphone 24/7. It's a nice little dystopian theory that's been disproven time and again.

A far more probable and less exciting explanation is that your credit card provider (or the store you bought the wine from) is selling your information and Facebook happens to be one of the buyers.

Furthermore, people grossly overestimate how unique they are. At any given point in time you're a target market for millions of products, you just don't notice the ads for the ones you don't buy. Just because there's a correlation doesn't mean you were singled out as an individual.

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this happened with a few co-workers. They got ads about things we spoke about at work and shared it with the group on slack. After nagging them about uninstalling FB for a while, the targeted ads scared some of them to finally uninstall the always listening FB spyware from their phone(s)

I once dropped my work laptop and snapped the plastic housing on the charger plug. I only discussed it verbally with my manager and said that I, as a consultant, would replace it at my own expense. Before I'd had chance to search for and price one up adverts for laptop chargers started following me around the web. It could have been that she then searched for a charger and being a small company we all shared an exter…

I don't think that's a fair suspicion when you shared the same IP address

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You’re kidding, right? If I send a “private” message, but everybody from law enforcement to my bank has access to it, it’s not private. It’s public knowledge as far as any background checks or loan applications are concerned. By contrast, if my bank worked out a deal with Bell where they get to record my all phone conversations they would still be committing a felony in almost all jurisdictions, NDA or not. That’s a…

It’s public knowledge as far as any background checks or loan applications are concerned. You give permission for those and the data accessed is often not public. There are degrees of privacy - what you're trying to do make up your own definition of 'public' and then have message board fights about it. It's not really a sensible position, let alone interesting conversation.

> There are degrees of privacy - what you're trying to do make up your own definition of 'public' and then have message board fights about it.

This is actually a fair criticism. I don't know why you're being downvoted for it.

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While I'm also disappointed by many news organizations / journalists these days, NYT is not one of them. In fact, they are one of the few newspapers that are keeping larger entities in check and doing their job by reporting them. I've been continually impressed by NYT, specifically, for its care in ensuring the highest level of integrity. Mistakes do happen and as far as I know, they've been pretty good about apologi…

For me, the nytimes and the big media companies are the biggest disappointments. Smaller and local media companies tend to be far more reliable and trustworthy than large corporations. And integrity isn't a word I'd associate with the nytimes or any major corporation for that matter. They are greedy self-serving entities with their own agenda, like every business. I do believe corporations like the NYTimes and facebo…

(A) The NYTimes cannot “sell your data” as Facebook does, because it just does not have that data.

(B) if you are alluding to their ads, then the local media you praise is just as guilty, and so is any other site financed by ads. They all just include whatever JS snippet the ad platforms give them.

(C) The rest of your comment is just repeated assertions that you don’t like the Times. It’s hard to take advise on newspapers seriously, when they come from someone who apparently has not read enough to pick up on the proper handling of spacing around parentheses.

(D) Are you making any claim that the story here contains (specific) inaccuracies? Are you accusing the Times of any specific facts being wholesale fabrications? Can you point to any instance of the Times publishing fabricated information? And please don’t use an example that’s old enough to drive, was discovered and disclosed by the Times itself, and resulted in career-ending firings of the reporter responsible.

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I guess this sort of defeats the purpose of switching from Google search to Bing over privacy concerns.

Does it still affect you if you don't connect your FB account? I wouldn't think so

Advertisers can still figure out how who you are without linking an account. It may take them slightly longer, but the information is out there.

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Of course it is. I agree with your comment. I also think FB is the work of secret services, from its inception to the present day. I've seen Zuck talk, and he doesn't strike me as a specially smart guy. But he's young and always smiling, shows enthusiasm and that's what people need. It's a nice cover.

How Zuck doesn't seem smart? Have you seen " the social network " If you have to make assumption, let me make another data supported assumption, Zuck is Ashkenazi Jew, statistically he's got probability of having more IQ than a person belonging to some other ethinic group. /sarcasm Anyways, what makes you think he's not smart?

He is a copyful dullard who has no creativity and is only adept at implementing codes that do obvious things or stealing ideas had by creative types. He stands in contrast to real geniuses of the last centuries, whose every quote echoes through time. He is hack.

The infiltration of the ivy league by the CIA makes it very possible that Facebook itself is a direct asset of US national intelligence services. Zuck would never be able to stand up to that kind of pressure.

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I always wonder about the engineers at Facebook who implemented a feature like this. Someone like me, more or less. Did they stop to wonder why they were being told to bypass user privacy preferences? Did they raise any internal questions about ethics? Did any of them consider becoming a whistleblower? Or perhaps everyone who works for Facebook is convinced this kind of data sharing is OK?

The question to ask is rather, how much money is OK to remain silent. Unfortunately for the majority it’s not in the millions. Almost any big corporation does some activity that are not strictly in the ethical norms. To me, strict laws must be passed and people must be held accountable to really see a change.

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I always wonder about the engineers at Facebook who implemented a feature like this. Someone like me, more or less. Did they stop to wonder why they were being told to bypass user privacy preferences? Did they raise any internal questions about ethics? Did any of them consider becoming a whistleblower? Or perhaps everyone who works for Facebook is convinced this kind of data sharing is OK?

Most likely why they aggressively hire college grads and keep the developer workforce young. I doubt they teach corporate ethics in any comp sci program.

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Now I really doubt if whatsapp is secure, even though they say it has end-to-end encryption.

its not secure. if you have facebook app and whatsapp installed. the whatsapp can share data with the facebook app and upload it to their servers. messages on your phone are not encrypted. they are only encrypted during sending.

Also, if you are on android and do a Gdrive backup, all the WA logs are in the clear on googles server. They will gladly pass these logs to authorities on with the appropriate paperwork.
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