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Re: Windows Sandbox

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Post by Multicomp »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #186
eertami wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not speaking hypothetically, but from experience. I have a 4 year old 200gbp Android phone running Pie, took 10 minutes. I also have an iPhone 8, this is an Ok phone but is a worse experience than the 4 year old Android phone. Despite the cost being much higher, the screen is worse quality, for instance. My partner has a 6 and it is remarkably slower than both. To the point where you sometimes just want to give u…

Which cheapo Android has a better screen than an iPhone 8??

At the risk of wading into the iPhone vs Android battle...:

iPhone 8 vs Nexus 6 from 2014, back when Google marketed that series as reasonable Dev devices, not necessarily flagships.

326 ppi vs 493 ppi

750 x 1334 pixels vs 1440 x 2560 pixels

IPS LCD vs AMOLED

Somewhere there is a tongue in cheek meme comparing a sister phone, the Nexus 4, from 2012 against a 2016(?) iPhone and it's quite interesting how many features the Android phones had and were mildly credited for that when copied to iPhone were /world changers!!1/

Granted, Android phone manufacturers have wised up and besides things like the Nokia 6.1 you can't really get a good mid-range Android phone any more... it's mostly clustered around either the humble Moto E or the Note 9 price points.

Re: Windows Sandbox

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Post by lotsofpulp »

joshAg wrote: post #12
dman wrote: post #2

Please do not make this a Pro / Enterprise feature. I do remote tech support for my parents and would love for them to browse / use apps in a sandbox.

why not just buy them a pro edition? I know it's more expensive, but that would also get you remote desktop, bitlocker, and group policy, which would all also be great for remote supporting your parents.

I would spend a few hundred extra dollars and just get a MacBook air or mini and install 1blocker on it.

Re: Windows Sandbox

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Post by vince14 »

chungy wrote: post #5

Sandboxie has been providing similar functionality on versions of Windows since XP: https://www.sandboxie.com/ It's probably nowhere near as elegant as the Windows 10 feature, but it should be very handy if you have older versions of Windows!

Apparently you've to uninstall Sandboxie for this update: https://i.imgur.com/oVKzdq0.png

Re: Windows Sandbox

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Post by outadoc »

pjmlp wrote: post #19
dman wrote: post #2

Please do not make this a Pro / Enterprise feature. I do remote tech support for my parents and would love for them to browse / use apps in a sandbox.

That is what Windows store apps and MSIX sandbox are for.

I wish MSIX was available on Windows 7 too. It would have much greater adoption.

Re: Windows Sandbox

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Post by ChrisSD »

eitland wrote: post #173

Seems like a really nice feature. I've been thinking about something like this for a while. I see some people are really annoyed that it isn't available for the Home version and I too am somewhat annoyed but in this case it is somewhat understandable since it depends on a feature that is (somewhat more reasonable) limited to Pro versions. The thing that annoys me more (hi MS guys, feel free to tell the relevant peopl…

If you dig around in settings you can disable those ads (aka "suggestions").

I've not found a way to stop Defender from advertising Microsoft accounts or OneDrive via the security warning system. But they can at least be dismissed until the next feature update puts them back.

Re: Windows Sandbox

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

finchisko wrote: post #52

Nowadays it's almost impossible to uninstall an app completely, because most of them creating files willy nilly. And it's same on all known OSes. The side effect we see is system size growing in time. IMO running an app in a sandbox should be the default option. On Windows, I used to like sandboxie, which virtualized every write into single directory. Uninstall was easy as removing that dir. This MS sandbox doesn't a…

Frankly, the very concept of "installing" an application is a ridiculous invention. Many systems of the past had self-contained applications that could just be dragged around between disks, copied, and deleted, seamlessly meshing with the files & folders desktop metaphor. Of course none of those systems enforced this behavior, which is something we could do today but, for the most part, don't.

At least on Windows I have my pick of thousands of Portable Apps (and most Windows software can act as a portable app if you just extract it without installing it anyway, albeit still leaving junk in the registry). You know what's a great feeling? Being able to reinstall your OS and just pointing a new toolbar at wherever you keep your portable apps and being good to go.

Re: Windows Sandbox

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Post by Santosh83 »

eitland wrote: post #173

Seems like a really nice feature. I've been thinking about something like this for a while. I see some people are really annoyed that it isn't available for the Home version and I too am somewhat annoyed but in this case it is somewhat understandable since it depends on a feature that is (somewhat more reasonable) limited to Pro versions. The thing that annoys me more (hi MS guys, feel free to tell the relevant peopl…

> I see some people are really annoyed that it isn't available for the Home version and I too am somewhat annoyed but in this case it is somewhat understandable since it depends on a feature that is (somewhat more reasonable) limited to Pro versions.

Hyper-V does function under the garb of 'Windows Hypervisor Platform' and 'Virtual Machine Platform' even under Windows 10 Home. I have it installed and it provides the virtualisation capabilities for Device Guard and Core Isolation/Memory Integrity.

Virtualbox from version 6 has been forced to fallback to Hyper-V when the latter is running, as it doesn't relinquish control to another virtualisation software.

So there is no reason why MS cannot implement Windows Sandbox even on Home since the underlying tech actually functions on all Windows editions, provided hardware support is there.

Re: Windows Sandbox

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Post by ChrisSD »

finchisko wrote: post #52

Nowadays it's almost impossible to uninstall an app completely, because most of them creating files willy nilly. And it's same on all known OSes. The side effect we see is system size growing in time. IMO running an app in a sandbox should be the default option. On Windows, I used to like sandboxie, which virtualized every write into single directory. Uninstall was easy as removing that dir. This MS sandbox doesn't a…

UWP and/or the Windows Store has a way of packaging applications so they don't barf all over the system, assuming they're not maliciously designed to subvert this.

Re: Windows Sandbox

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Post by fulafel »

natmaka wrote: post #128

On Linux Firejail/Firetools offer such functionality.

Firejail is based on the same type of tech as containers, namely process restrictions that you can activate on a per namespace basis. The MS sandbox is a separate VM with its own sandboxed kernel, which sounds like stronger isolation on the face of it.
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