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As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Now I really doubt if whatsapp is secure, even though they say it has end-to-end encryption.

its not secure. if you have facebook app and whatsapp installed. the whatsapp can share data with the facebook app and upload it to their servers. messages on your phone are not encrypted. they are only encrypted during sending.

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post #42

A basic principle of PR is that you should trickle out good news, and get all the bad news out in one dump. Because when bad news trickles out, and the public reads a fresh bit of bad news every day, it does more damage. One wonders at Facebook's very passive strategy here. They're not controlling the narrative at all, and we're reading a fresh bit of bad news almost every day.

Another tactic is to do this in the run-up to Christmas while everybody is preoccupied.

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After reading facebooks response I am once again disappointed by the art of journalism we have to deal with these days :( Turns out NYT either doesn’t understand the technical details or doesn’t want to https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/12/facebooks-partners/

Also note that Facebook didn't even mention Yandex (Russian Search Engine).

This is spin by Facebook.

Remember in their last scandal, they denied using The Definers at first then weeks later admitted it.

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Question for the most of the people who read this who will still use fb/instagram/messenger all day, or even at all: is there something so bad that fb could do that would get you to stop? If so, what is it? Where is your red line? Or absent an alternative with fb's network effects, will you keep using their products regardless of the unseen costs you rack up?

My account is currently suspended, pending me uploading identification papers to prove I am who I say I am - this despite the fact that my account was originally verified against university records back in 2007 when it was only open to verified university graduates ...

It feels like a red line ... I'm mulling over various options including just letting it go.

It seems like a bad idea for them since I'm one of the few people I know in my circle of friends that's still active and posting ...

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post #80
post #42

A basic principle of PR is that you should trickle out good news, and get all the bad news out in one dump. Because when bad news trickles out, and the public reads a fresh bit of bad news every day, it does more damage. One wonders at Facebook's very passive strategy here. They're not controlling the narrative at all, and we're reading a fresh bit of bad news almost every day.

I don't think many of the employees at various levels understand the "bad news" part of this. Therefore, they can't plan appropriately. I don't think it is intentional but rather a function of most employees being in a weird corporate "filter bubble" with extra strong cool-aid being served on the daily.

I know a couple Facebook employees. It is actually very disturbing to see at what length they go to cover and find excuses for each of those breaches. Not a lot of the them are taking a step back. Echo chamber...

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post #64

Deleted my Facebook nearly 6 months back. Never missed it Deleted my Instagram three weeks back because my feed was 1 ad for every 3 posts. Haven't missed it. If I could only get rid of Whatsapp, I would never need to use anything from this awful company

Install Signal, tell your friends. Although I tried getting one friend to switch today, didn't work because of network size. I'm afraid our only alternative is to organize all our really cool stuff on Signal and get 'em with FOMO.

It's never worked for me - the answer is always something along the lines of "oh no, I'd have to install another app, it's such a hassle".

If only there were some means for people to use whatever apps they liked and for these to communicate with each other.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook could be considered as a strategic military asset, as it is capable of quite accurately mapping people around the world. Relationships between people in Iran, same place same time, same IP, ghost profiles... If you were the CIA, wouldn’t you work on protecting/ preventing such people from having a trial?

Of course it is. I agree with your comment. I also think FB is the work of secret services, from its inception to the present day. I've seen Zuck talk, and he doesn't strike me as a specially smart guy. But he's young and always smiling, shows enthusiasm and that's what people need. It's a nice cover.

How Zuck doesn't seem smart? Have you seen " the social network "

If you have to make assumption, let me make another data supported assumption, Zuck is Ashkenazi Jew, statistically he's got probability of having more IQ than a person belonging to some other ethinic group.

/sarcasm

Anyways, what makes you think he's not smart?

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> The social network allowed Microsoft’s Bing search engine to see the names of virtually all Facebook users’ friends without consent, the records show, and gave Netflix and Spotify the ability to read Facebook users’ private messages. > The social network permitted Amazon to obtain users’ names and contact information through their friends, and it let Yahoo view streams of friends’ posts as recently as this summer,…

I guess this sort of defeats the purpose of switching from Google search to Bing over privacy concerns.

Does it still affect you if you don't connect your FB account? I wouldn't think so

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“Among the revelations was that Facebook obtained data from multiple partners for a controversial friend-suggestion tool called “People You May Know.” The feature, introduced in 2008, continues even though some Facebook users have objected to it, unsettled by its knowledge of their real-world relationships. Gizmodo and other news outlets have reported cases of the tool’s recommending friend connections between patien…

One possibility would be that Facebook users were supposed to be able to read, write, and delete their own chat messages via custom chat clients built by Spotify, Netflix, and so on. If so, the New York Times is throwing shade on Facebook basically for not being enough of a walled garden. I hope their journalists are not that confused?

They have been exactly that confused (or possibly intentionally deceptive) in the past. One of their previous articles pretended that Facebook, by giving users the ability to log in and interact with their friends via a built-in manufacturer app on their Huawei smartphones, was actually giving those friends' data to Huawei: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/03/technology/fa...
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