Is this safe? I didn't see any escape paths. What happens if there is a fire and you are in the sixth tube down? Electric trains are considered quite safe yet tunnels have a lot of escape paths and service tunnels built parallel to the main one.
It is not, per general EU regulations no 'single bore' tunnel can be longer than 1km (0.62miles0. Tunnels that are longer than that, either have to be double tunnels, with escape doors between them, or one large tunnel and an emergency smaller one. This looks the size of a emergency tunnel. Still, the cost of building it seems pretty low. Boring Co could build two side by side, (one for each direction) and have emerg…
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#102Version of article that can be viewed from EU: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/19/elon-musk-unveils-boring-com... LA Times version says: "Not available in your region"
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#103But all this discussion of what to put in the tunnel seems very silly to me. Are they just re-discovering subways? Do they know that there are subways in the world (e.g. Paris) that run out rubber tires?
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#105Twitter thread on the physics to go 150mph in this tunnel: https://twitter.com/Model_4_/status/1075270290978963458?s=19 Note that air resistance is a much bigger problem in a cheap, narrow tunnel.
I imagine it’ll also probably be hell on tires. You’d need W- or Z-rated tires to do that and those are $$. Perhaps smooth concrete will mean lower rolling friction along with lack of sudden maneouvers. Still, going that fast is expensive in all sorts of ways.
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#106It will come down to cost to build and time to build... I took 2 tunnels to and from the airport today. Each way, over $10. But I'm damn glad I took them because they go all the way from north of the city, to south of the city, including under the river, where our bridges are massive bottleneck. I saved at least 30' and a lot of sanity, and this was before work. I'd be dead tired if I had to deal with traffic jams fo…
Sydney?
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#107> "But Musk told reporters that Boring officials have abandoned the concept of the skate, saying it was “far more complex” than his new plan: guide wheels that can be attached to the front tires of autonomous, electric cars, steadying the vehicles as they move forward through tunnels." So basically this only works with Tesla vehicles at the moment. I'm wondering how that's going to expand in the future--if at all. Do…
> guide wheels that can be attached to the front tires of autonomous, electric cars, steadying the vehicles as they move forward through tunnels." So the o-Bahn Busways in Aus, just underground.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Bahn_Busway https://youtu.be/X89WSVjyBRw
What if we use special cars only for the tunnel with some kind of ride sharing system? and then we put the cars on rails? This keeps them on track and also the rolling friction is much lower.
Also, we could continuously charge the battery of the car if we have some kind of wire going alongside the tunnel and a slip contact.
Actually we could make the cars much bigger as well, so they can hold more people.
Get me patent lawyer.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
>75 seconds is really, really long. Cars on a highway don't leave 75 seconds in between each other ..and? A car also doesn't carry 500 people.
Right, but 15 SUVs 5s apart carry 105 people, and if they can actually travel at an average 150mph, that's faster than the average speed of Skytrain's fastest line by another 3x — so, now we're looking at 315 people moved through the space at the same time. Factor in cost advantages of the tunnel — 4x cheaper mile-for-mile for the prototype, it seems like? — and the same dollars spent on Boring Co tunnels could actua…
You're fond of throwing in a lot of utterly implausible figures to support your argument here
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
And it's best not to think about what happens if a car stops for any reason, or worse, catches fire. I do not believe any escape hatches were part of the demo and cost calculations.
Devil's advocate chiming in here... What happens if you're in an enclosed tube, like in say a commercial airliner, and it stops suddenly or catches fire?