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Re: Windows Sandbox

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Okay, even if I take your comment about attack surface at face value, what are you suggesting? Surely not avoiding AV completely.

> Surely not avoiding AV completely. Exactly that.

Ok, what about for the 99% of the population that that won't work for?

Re: Windows Sandbox

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I was excited by the premise, but the execution is all wrong. What I had hoped to see was a webbrowser based sandbox environment, that I could quickly access from my mac (or windows for that matter) to achieve the same results.

The current execution is nuts and doesn’t make any sense.

Re: Windows Sandbox

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post #66

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I believe it's because the virtualization support is only limited to those versions. I might be wrong though.

On this note, because of the lack of virtualization support in Windows Home, in my small business we're encouraging everyone to get rid of Windows both at home and in the office. They've intentionally crippled Windows Home in a way which impacts us -- we want to support devs doing work from home or on their own hardware. But when their OS can't run Docker, that gets harder. No way we're going to buy Pro licenses for…

Windows Pro is not expensive. That alone can hardly be worth the switch.

All other virtualization software runs fine on Windows Home.

Re: Windows Sandbox

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> "Only Microsoft would come up with a new security feature and then intentionally and arbitrarily limit its availability to the most expensive version of their OS." What's your point? How is that not a reasonable business model?

Charge more for enterprise features by all means, but if basic security concepts are something you feel the need to charge for, your priorities are fucked up.

It's hardly basic. It might seem so for you or - in general - people who frequent hn, but you'd have to spend a lot of time explaining why it's good to an average person running windows home.

Re: Windows Sandbox

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I paid 13€ for an Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM key. I thought everyone is doing this as well?

Where did you buy such a cheap copy of Windows 10 Pro?

Those are digital (unused) licenses, that although can't technically be resold, they "can" be in Europe as they contradict a ruling made in 2012 (I don't have time to dig the link up, unfortunately).

Re: Windows Sandbox

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Only Microsoft would come up with a new security feature and then intentionally and arbitrarily limit its availability to the most expensive version of their OS. This is the same company that thinks putting ads in the fucking file explorer is appropriate on an OS they charge hundreds and hundreds of dollars for.

The same goes for full disk encryption, it isn’t included in the cheapest edition I installed on an old laptop for my mother. Now booting with veracrypt takes 2 minutes. Needless to say I had to get her a chromebook: new laptop, easy to use, secure and for the price of one windows license. This is what will get Microsoft in the end.

Secure and inexpensive as long as you don't mind paying with your privacy.

I'm worried that this is going to be the compromise we're all forced to make in the future.

Re: Windows Sandbox

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post #66

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I believe it's because the virtualization support is only limited to those versions. I might be wrong though.

On this note, because of the lack of virtualization support in Windows Home, in my small business we're encouraging everyone to get rid of Windows both at home and in the office. They've intentionally crippled Windows Home in a way which impacts us -- we want to support devs doing work from home or on their own hardware. But when their OS can't run Docker, that gets harder. No way we're going to buy Pro licenses for…

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Re: Windows Sandbox

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Sandboxie has been providing similar functionality on versions of Windows since XP: https://www.sandboxie.com/ It's probably nowhere near as elegant as the Windows 10 feature, but it should be very handy if you have older versions of Windows!

Do you have any info that shows it's not "as elegant"? Sandboxie works great for me and has always done it's job.

No, but I assume the Windows kernel developers are more capable of wrestling with all the nitty gritty details than Sandboxie is (though it too provides a kernel driver in order to operate, I'm sure there's a lot of similarities).

Re: Windows Sandbox

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post #133

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> Ultimately Apple's pricing means all their users are first class - hence security Yeah... Good luck running the latest version of iOS on an older iPhone. (Many are still have a 5/6 and you really don't want to update those if you value a reasonable experience and latency.)

iOS 12 runs on everything through the 5S, and notably improved performance over iOS 10/11 on the same devices. [1] is a bunch of benchmarks from back in the beta period. My kid has it on a 6, and it's legitimately good performance there. Good luck getting the latest Android onto a 5 year old handset without jumping through some non-trivial hoops. [1]: http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/09/ios-12-performance-improv...

I'm not speaking hypothetically, but from experience. I have a 4 year old 200gbp Android phone running Pie, took 10 minutes.

I also have an iPhone 8, this is an Ok phone but is a worse experience than the 4 year old Android phone. Despite the cost being much higher, the screen is worse quality, for instance.

My partner has a 6 and it is remarkably slower than both. To the point where you sometimes just want to give up on whatever you were trying to do while waiting for a map or Spotify to load.

Maybe your experience is different to ours, but I'm only reporting what I see from using all 3.

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