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As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Re: As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Question for the most of the people who read this who will still use fb/instagram/messenger all day, or even at all:

is there something so bad that fb could do that would get you to stop? If so, what is it? Where is your red line?

Or absent an alternative with fb's network effects, will you keep using their products regardless of the unseen costs you rack up?

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post #42

A basic principle of PR is that you should trickle out good news, and get all the bad news out in one dump. Because when bad news trickles out, and the public reads a fresh bit of bad news every day, it does more damage. One wonders at Facebook's very passive strategy here. They're not controlling the narrative at all, and we're reading a fresh bit of bad news almost every day.

Whoa, my AI Motivator instagram just posted that https://www.instagram.com/p/BrjhQ5UAoTa/

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“Among the revelations was that Facebook obtained data from multiple partners for a controversial friend-suggestion tool called “People You May Know.” The feature, introduced in 2008, continues even though some Facebook users have objected to it, unsettled by its knowledge of their real-world relationships. Gizmodo and other news outlets have reported cases of the tool’s recommending friend connections between patien…

I’m always puzzled by the need people have to try to dispel the notion that Facebook listens to ambient audio or conversations. They are the bad guys. They didn’t need to steal Android phone logs either, but they did.

I just wish there was a way to figure out _why_ I'm getting some ads, to dispel that fear.

On Instagram last weekend I and a friend were shown a number of ads for Chandon sparking wine after I bought a bottle, and someone else at the party also did and we talked about it.

Both of us insist we didn't google sparkling wine, Chandon, or anything we think relevant... it really does on the face of it appear Facebook had listened to us.

Re: As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Deleted my Facebook nearly 6 months back. Never missed it Deleted my Instagram three weeks back because my feed was 1 ad for every 3 posts. Haven't missed it. If I could only get rid of Whatsapp, I would never need to use anything from this awful company

Install Signal, tell your friends.

Although I tried getting one friend to switch today, didn't work because of network size. I'm afraid our only alternative is to organize all our really cool stuff on Signal and get 'em with FOMO.

Re: As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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post #42

A basic principle of PR is that you should trickle out good news, and get all the bad news out in one dump. Because when bad news trickles out, and the public reads a fresh bit of bad news every day, it does more damage. One wonders at Facebook's very passive strategy here. They're not controlling the narrative at all, and we're reading a fresh bit of bad news almost every day.

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Question for the most of the people who read this who will still use fb/instagram/messenger all day, or even at all: is there something so bad that fb could do that would get you to stop? If so, what is it? Where is your red line? Or absent an alternative with fb's network effects, will you keep using their products regardless of the unseen costs you rack up?

Start charging money.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m always puzzled by the need people have to try to dispel the notion that Facebook listens to ambient audio or conversations. They are the bad guys. They didn’t need to steal Android phone logs either, but they did.

I just wish there was a way to figure out _why_ I'm getting some ads, to dispel that fear. On Instagram last weekend I and a friend were shown a number of ads for Chandon sparking wine after I bought a bottle, and someone else at the party also did and we talked about it. Both of us insist we didn't google sparkling wine, Chandon, or anything we think relevant... it really does on the face of it appear Facebook had l…

If you purchased the wine with a credit card then Facebook has the ability through agreements with other data providers/aggregators to connect it back to your Facebook, Instagram, etc account. Source: I know someone who is in biz dev at one of said companies and sells this type of “profile” data to Facebook and countless other companies. If you purchased with cash then sure does sound like they were somehow listening.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a bit worried that some journalists (and some readers) no longer care to make any distinction between an app having access for legitimate reasons that respect users' intentions and the whole company having access to do whatever they like. At least, they don't explain it well.

The distinction doesn't exist in practical terms. The company controls the behavior of the app; the fact that an app has access for legitimate reasons doesn't mean that any given use of the access was for legitimate reasons.

I don't think this article made the case that the access granted was unreasonable.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m always puzzled by the need people have to try to dispel the notion that Facebook listens to ambient audio or conversations. They are the bad guys. They didn’t need to steal Android phone logs either, but they did.

I just wish there was a way to figure out _why_ I'm getting some ads, to dispel that fear. On Instagram last weekend I and a friend were shown a number of ads for Chandon sparking wine after I bought a bottle, and someone else at the party also did and we talked about it. Both of us insist we didn't google sparkling wine, Chandon, or anything we think relevant... it really does on the face of it appear Facebook had l…

this happened with a few co-workers. They got ads about things we spoke about at work and shared it with the group on slack. After nagging them about uninstalling FB for a while, the targeted ads scared some of them to finally uninstall the always listening FB spyware from their phone(s)
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