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Re: Reasons Python Sucks

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Post by diminoten »

notacoward wrote: post #70

Most of the points in this article fall on a continuum between irrelevant to dead wrong. 1 (versions) and 2 (installation) have to do with the ecosystem, not the language. Unsigned packages are a real problem, but hating on community-maintained software is just weird. Most software in your local Linux distro's repository is maintained by a "community" that might just be one person working in their spare time. 3 (synt…

Thank you for going point by point. I was blown away by how little experience the author had with Python, compared to how strong his opinion is about it.

I hate hate hate language debates, but this isn't even that, it's just a misunderstanding. If this guy took a class on Python he'd figure out like 5 or 6 of these issues no problem!

Re: Reasons Python Sucks

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Post by capdeck »

SamWhited wrote: post #73

I tend to agree with the author (although not with a few of his specific reasons) that Python is terrible. Everywhere I've ever been that used Python they've claimed it was to make development faster, but mostly we just fought with bugs that cropped up around tests that were too aggressively mocked and weren't testing things, or stuff that somehow was in the wrong scope because someones editor was using the wrong typ…

Wanted to second that the author mentions C as being "simpler" alternative -- doesn't make much sense as it is quite a "footgun" it itself. I'd much rather search for missing indents in Python than debug segfaults in C. Also, package managers are almost not a thing in C land. Did OP try Rust -- that may check quite a few of his boxes...

Re: Reasons Python Sucks

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Post by honkycat »

I will stick up for this person. I agree with all of the points listed here. But especially: Python version management and installation sucks.

A while ago I had a broken python ship with my Ubuntu desktop. Pip decided they were going to deprecate behaviour, and nobody updated or tested on Ubuntu.

Also it is slow and ugly. Just write it in Golang or something.

Re: Reasons Python Sucks

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Post by silon42 »

superasn wrote: post #19

I too have tried it many times mainly because of all the great ML libs for python but each time I dreaded using it for Reason #3 (Syntax). Using indents for blocks just seemed unintuitive and error prone to me. But I dismissed it because all the programming languages I've worked with have had curly braces so maybe the reason for my discomfort was that it was unfamiliar.

You could use 'pass' to denote end of block... Someone just needs to write a validator.

Re: Reasons Python Sucks

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Post by newen »

qntty wrote: post #59
colanderman wrote: post #35

A better reason to hate Python: the internal model is way overcomplicated for what it's meant to be: a beginner-friendly scripting language. "Everything-is-an-object", duck typing, decorators, bizarre scoping rules, etc., all make it difficult for experienced programmers to understand, let along beginners. I've always thought there's a much simpler language struggling to get out of Python, and I wish it would and wou…

Is python really meant to be a beginner-friendly language? I tend to think of it as lisp-without-parens, and lisp is not very beginner friendly.

I think that's how it got so popular. It gets taught in school as a first language because it's "simple, beautiful", etc. and people stick with their first language as people do.

Re: Reasons Python Sucks

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Post by diminoten »

qntty wrote: post #59
colanderman wrote: post #35

A better reason to hate Python: the internal model is way overcomplicated for what it's meant to be: a beginner-friendly scripting language. "Everything-is-an-object", duck typing, decorators, bizarre scoping rules, etc., all make it difficult for experienced programmers to understand, let along beginners. I've always thought there's a much simpler language struggling to get out of Python, and I wish it would and wou…

Is python really meant to be a beginner-friendly language? I tend to think of it as lisp-without-parens, and lisp is not very beginner friendly.

It's not a beginner language, but it is beginner-friendly.

It's actually a huge problem if you end up trying to hire people to build enterprise software in Python, because everyone and their mother has "5 years of Python experience", but "scripting on your own" is miles apart from "building well designed systems".

Re: Reasons Python Sucks

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Post by aurelwu »

graycrow wrote: post #62
porpoisely wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In C#, all variables ( reference or value types ) are passed by value. Yes, even reference types are passed by value. If you want to pass variables by reference, you need to use special modifiers ( out or ref ).

Yes, but for a reference types that value IS a reference, so if you change a complex type, that change will persist after return to the calling code.

static void Change(int[] myArray) { myArray = new int[5] {3, 1, 2}; }

this will not change the array which was passed in and is a purely local change in C#.

static void Change(ref int[] myArray) on the other side would change the array which was passed in.

Re: Reasons Python Sucks

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Post by drosan »

Loud title for an article from a person who has little to none experience with real life programming (imho). Talking about passing objects as a copy or by reference looked plain retarded even, he barely understands what are advantages or disadvantages of both methods.

When I went down to reason 8 I was already utterly disappointed and felt like my time was wasted on a ramblings of 13yrs old that wrote "hello world" in 2-3 different scrypt languages and already thinks of himself an expert and a _hacker_ (that's even in the website title).

Too bad it is a senior citizen that some people might have actually listened to and think he know what's he is saying.

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